SBE Allen really got greedy this year!

[jasonlaus]

This is were misunderstandings come from!

My comment was not about Allen or any other promoter!

Went out of my way to make that clear!

Kd

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No you didn't, why do you continue to post in this thread ABOUT THE EXPO if it has nothing to do with the expo. As far as a personal attack LMAO maybe you should get back to your "safe" place where words and ideas can't hurt your wittle sensitive self.
Would cookies and milk help?

You sure are an "insider" lmao once again

 

[jasonlaus]

The "pros" are NOT the draw for the expo. TAP, open am, wed warmup, seniors, juniors, etc along with all the vendors. If this was a"pro" event only, there would not be 1/10th of the people watching them at the event. There would be a few more watching live stream that's all.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Thread lightly! The above "could" be considered a personal attack and subject to banishment!

But, I am not one to run to the moderators!

Kd

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Wow,

You must not have read the thread and comments about the pro players!

But, want to call into question my reading capabilities!!!

This is funny!

Kd

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My knowledge of business and business practices was called into question! So, yes my response was valid and appropriate! Despite your feelings!

You and others can continue with this black and white view. The issue is very gray! If it makes anyone feel better to view the players as villains , then go for it!

But, most people with an open mind on the issue know better and benefit from the benefit of the player perspective on the issue.

Keep your hostile tone and rhetoric down, just because you don't like hearing the other side of the issue. Is not grounds to freak out.

Kd

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This is a good point. How many buy siminois cloth, arimith balls, diamond tables because of the support of pro pool???

These guys understand the power of professional endorsement and use in major events!

Some promoters like you said can afford it!

Players have all the risk and no reward. When a promoter does bad the purse is the first thing cut!

But, a promoter does well and still adds the same amount for 15 years straight!

I understand the players displeasure!

P.s. I am not saying this is the case with this event! Just painting pro players negatively is not 100% true. They have some justification looking at the big picture!

Kd

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Sadly,

I know and understand a lot more than you know! I have an Economics degree and inside info on industry matters.

I don't put people down or bad mouth! So, I am making vague and broad statements! Not specific!

Several upstart tournaments stiffed the players! A fact!

Several do exceedingly well and see little to no increase!

So, yes all the risk and no reward is accurate!

I could say a lot more! A lot but would not treat people like that.

Just like my lack of comment to protect promoters! I can't stand by and watch the pro players thrown under the bus either!

Kd

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You help design and modified and improved the diamond table and your contributions go unrecognized monetarily despite growing profits and international sales.

The owner is riding in a Bentley and your scraping by. You expect as things go well they will share the love?

But, you have no guarantee!!!

Now you became vocal and all you hear is "get a job"

I have to put this in "your terms " to illustrate!

All hypothetical scenario above!

Kd

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This is were misunderstandings come from!

My comment was not about Allen or any other promoter!

Went out of my way to make that clear!

Kd

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No you didn't, why do you continue to post in this thread ABOUT THE EXPO if it has nothing to do with the expo. As far as a personal attack LMAO maybe you should get back to your "safe" place where words and ideas can't hurt your wittle sensitive self.
Would cookies and milk help?

You sure are an "insider" lmao once again

You sir "protest too much"

i took the liberty of providing all my posts and comments above so you won't have to rely on memory!!!

But, in fact i did go out of my way to make it "CLEAR" i was defending the players "ONLY" and making no claims about promoters.

But, you continue the name calling and the denial!!!

if i am or was incorrect or behaving badly in the eyes of the community i would apologize. But, that is me! So, prove me wrong so I can publicly apologize for all to see! I am waiting for you to point to where your statement is correct or honorably say you were mistaken!!!

KD

 

[realkingcobra]

The "pros" are NOT the draw for the expo. TAP, open am, wed warmup, seniors, juniors, etc along with all the vendors. If this was a"pro" event only, there would not be 1/10th of the people watching them at the event. There would be a few more watching live stream that's all.

I don't feel they belong in any venue, other than "Pro's Only" world class players exclusively, promoted, sponsored, and broadcast to the world on at least 16 9ft pool tables, each of which can be viewed live....tournaments. Not held in casinos, expos or any other sideline location which can take away from the event....the best of the best against each other....no dead money players allowed.

 

[336Robin]

The What?

That's what Im talking about exactly. Ive never known a Pro Player do much to help a room owner much less a promoter who wasn't paying him. So them being thrown under the bus is a laughable sentiment. They have what a few dollars in cues and case and yes some time to get to that level but they really bring nothing but their want to cash to a tournament.

In cases like the SBE they are a draw but look at what expense is gone to in order to have venue large enough to seat them, showcase them and what they really do at the event. Pretty much all they do is play and that's it.

Not much value to a promoter. 10 to 1 they could draw more people at a car show.

Sadly,

I know and understand a lot more than you know! I have an Economics degree and inside info on industry matters.

I don't put people down or bad mouth! So, I am making vague and broad statements! Not specific!

Several upstart tournaments stiffed the players! A fact!

Several do exceedingly well and see little to no increase!

So, yes all the risk and no reward is accurate!

I could say a lot more! A lot but would not treat people like that.

Just like my lack of comment to protect promoters! I can't stand by and watch the pro players thrown under the bus either!

Kd

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[jasonlaus]

I don't feel they belong in any venue, other than "Pro's Only" world class players exclusively, promoted, sponsored, and broadcast to the world on at least 16 9ft pool tables, each of which can be viewed live....tournaments. Not held in casinos, expos or any other sideline location which can take away from the event....the best of the best against each other....no dead money players allowed.

Problem is no sponsors, and we really can't blame them. Heck, poolplayers dont even watch the pros, without dead $ there would be no money at all.

I do agree with you though - should showcase the very best.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

That's what Im talking about exactly. Ive never known a Pro Player do much to help a room owner much less a promoter who wasn't paying him. So them being thrown under the bus is a laughable sentiment. They have what a few dollars in cues and case and yes some time to get to that level but they really bring nothing but their want to cash to a tournament.

In cases like the SBE they are a draw but look at what expense is gone to in order to have venue large enough to seat them, showcase them and what they really do at the event. Pretty much all they do is play and that's it.

Not much value to a promoter. 10 to 1 they could draw more people at a car show.

Really,

So many people remember
1: watching their favorite pro.
2: getting a autograph
3: Shaking the pro's hand
4: Having a word or 2 with their favorite pro

There is value added. The vast majority will not cash, out of the 900 plus in the amateur event alone. So, once eliminated the pro event is a much needed form of entertainment for those participants and spectators.

Kd

 

[realkingcobra]

Problem is no sponsors, and we really can't blame them. Heck, poolplayers dont even watch the pros, without dead $ there would be no money at all.

I do agree with you though - should showcase the very best.

What comes first, the sponsor. ...or the Pro players? You don't have a sponsor put up x amount of dollars....then draw straws as to who's going to play for the money! If you can't provide the list of the TOP 64 players on the planet....ready to compete for a sponsors contributions.....then what in the hell does this industry have to offer a sponsor?....musical players?...anyone willing to pay an entry fee?....no one wants to watch them....this industry needs to figure that out sometime.

 

[cueenvy]

The "pros" are NOT the draw for the expo. TAP, open am, wed warmup, seniors, juniors, etc along with all the vendors. If this was a"pro" event only, there would not be 1/10th of the people watching them at the event. There would be a few more watching live stream that's all.

Exactly....only a few watch the pros. Most there for the action or to watch their fellow league players. I was there and have no idea who won or placed in the pros.

 

[couldnthinkof01]

I was there and have no idea who won or placed in the pros.

This is a really interesting aspect of pool. You would think at most other sports events there would be sponsors having the pros doing meet and greets, challenge tables, signing stuff, and lessons.

Someone that played the amateur event and participates on a pool forum regularly could care less.

This is not a knock on cueenvy just interesting to me.

 

[BmoreMoney]

Just as I posted in the other thread - I believe the promoter should be able to make money putting on their events. If it isn't worth their time and effort why do it ? Would those complaining ( spectators and pros alike ) prefer there be no expo at all? " Not enough prize money " - well I can garuntee it's a hell of a lot better than $0000 ! As already said, if you don't feel it's worth your time then just don't do it - easy! While I don't know Allen'so specific costs, I do know in general what it costs to rent a venue of that size and it aint cheap!!! Guess what, that venue is paid in full before the first item is carted in their and if the show is not a success guess who eats it?

Some may say this is not a fair comparison but I think it's worth mentioning : compare the " ticket " prices to watch our pro's compete to what it costs in any other pro venue. What's an average football ticket $200? I for one would like to thank Allen for giving us the Expo every year to go to. IMO I think anyone complaining about prices are just cheap. Period.

My experience with the Expo was when it was in Edison and I am not familiar with the location this year so keep that in mind with my next few thoughts. I only went to see the pros play once they had reached the semi's. I gladly paid for the viper seats for myself and 4 others. The seats were very comfortable and I had no problem paying the $20 or whatever it was and I wouldn't mind paying $40 either. From what I understand they only have bleachers this year? I probably would not go to watch if only bleachers were available. Just my .02 about seating. My only complaint from when I attended would have been only having the one location to buy beer and it being as limited selection as it was. It's a big place and think at least a few more spots would have been warranted. I didn't think find the food as horrible as others had said. Kinda what I'd expect at a venue like that. It was fine for getting a snack. Had breakfast before going, a snack while there, and went somewhere for a good dinner. Anyway thanks to all that put this on! And stop being cheap to those worried about a few extra bucks to attend one of our best events of the year!

 

[decent dennis]

Ok I read the comments about Appleton. He's a superstar player sponsored by the biggest name in pool. If he worked for me I'd fire him in a heartbeat. It's shameful what these whiny pros are doing to their livelihood. There will ne v er be a major pool tour sponsor from a non pool industry...which is the only way pro pool will ever become what they want. Somebody needs to make a player organization with rules of conduct that are enforced.

Did you read his facebook page, where he said he was at his sponsers booth, with fans when he realized he forfeited?

 

[jasonlaus]

I watched at least 1 session/day except today. Fact is though, Im an hour 30 away and would have watched PPV instead of driving there if it weren't for everything else. Fortunatly I was only 20mins away this week cause of work.
Most won't drive or PPV

 

[PocketPooler]

Id like to make my grandmother an appointment for her hair to be permed.

Oh this isnt a hair salon?

Sure as hell sounds like one...

 

[LIAKOS27]

Id like to make my grandmother an appointment for her hair to be permed.

Oh this isnt a hair salon?

Sure as hell sounds like one...

And you know this how?

 

[PocketPooler]

And you know this how?

That's the best post in this entire thread. Well done:rotflmao1:

 

[cueenvy]

This is a really interesting aspect of pool. You would think at most other sports events there would be sponsors having the pros doing meet and greets, challenge tables, signing stuff, and lessons.

Someone that played the amateur event and participates on a pool forum regularly could care less.

This is not a knock on cueenvy just interesting to me.

I'd watch them sure, but I was in action continually like every year...like several hundred fellow degenerates.

All i can say is that if you don't enjoy the expo or how it's run , don't go. Every year the fields are bigger, almost 1000 in the open Who says pool is dead?

 

[cueenvy]

Did you read his facebook page, where he said he was at his sponsers booth, with fans when he realized he forfeited?

No....I read the other day he'd forfeited in protest.

He needs a better alarm clock if he just forgot. He's missed other matches before by forgetting his match time.

 

[couldnthinkof01]

My post had nothing to do with the expo. More about trying to interest the pool playing public in the pros and getting them invested emotionally to the players.

 

[j_zippel]

No....I read the other day he'd forfeited in protest.



He needs a better alarm clock if he just forgot. He's missed other matches before by forgetting his match time.

He missed his match talking to people at a sponsors booth and didn't want to play on the losers side and forfeited. He doesn't need to start setting an alarm


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