Scorpion Cues = bad rep
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I think people associate JA with Scorpion cues and expect the best cue ever made. The fact is, they are entry level cues and I think decent entry level players.
You are definately getting what you pay for and JA did it right by targeting the entry level player.
You are definately getting what you pay for and JA did it right by targeting the entry level player.
i don't like them myself. they feel dead to me. the few i tried had a fiberglass shaft that i didn't dig and the balance was a little off imo
New Stroke you see this is exactly the type of thing I'm talking about they are called entry level cues by the forum snobs because the shaft has a fibreglass coating, simple answer change the shaft.
Second if the forum snobs see the cues as entry level then what does that say about JA I mean hell does that make him an entry level player because that's what it sounds like when you bash his brand.
Quite frankly if these cues have brought Johnny numerous World & US Open titles then they are definately not "entry level" cues.
As a final thought I use a scorpion & the shaft is definately 100% fibreglass free.
Second if the forum snobs see the cues as entry level then what does that say about JA I mean hell does that make him an entry level player because that's what it sounds like when you bash his brand.
Quite frankly if these cues have brought Johnny numerous World & US Open titles then they are definately not "entry level" cues.
As a final thought I use a scorpion & the shaft is definately 100% fibreglass free.
Actually I'm calling it an entry level cue because of the price. I have met guys that have waxed me with a house cue, I don't think the tool matters, it's how it's used. I never said a thing about the quality. To be honest, I have always shot with a Schon and will continue to do so. My next cue will be a custom if I ever get the motivation to buy one.
Take a look at my avatar, can you really look into this face and call me a snob?
If you check your history on Johnny, his World & US Open titles came when he played and was sponsored by "Schon Cues". Schon built Johnny some beautiful cues to play with and those cues are the ones he used to win his World & US Open titles........
James
They ARE entry level cues aimed at mass market.
You play with a Schon?
That's what JA became player of the decade with (90's)
And i'm the snob.....check out MY avatar
Have you hit with a high end cue? Nothing against quality entry level equipment but until you start getting into detailed inlay work you get what you pay for quality wise. Quality materials and techniques are expensive. What Scorpion does is find a good compromise to fit a need in the market and make a profit. Unfortunately the shortcuts taken to make cues cheap impact many aspects of their playability and longevity. You're probably not going to pass that cue down to your children in the same shape it's in now.
However, that doesn't mean that a cue isn't a good short to medium range investment. Assuming you've got a passable chunk of shaft wood you can slap an aftermarket tip on that cue and you'll end up with something that plays well. Some may not think it has the intangibles that you get from a custom or high end production cue but they shoot well enough to win competitions.
A little bit of 1500-4500 grit will do wonders for how a entry level shaft feels in the hand. If you dodge the warpage bullet you're probably good.
Entry level is a pricing point. If you look at Scorpions line they are priced at an entry level price point. An entry level cue in the hands of a master will still make art. A title won with an entry level cue doesn't make the cue transcend it's origins. It just proves that you don't need a fancy cue to compete successfully.
If you shoot a Scorpion and like it keep shooting it. It is what it is. It's giving you value for dollar and most likely all the performance you'll ever need.
I'm a firm believer in the "you get what you pay for" thought process. Will a Scorpion cue's quality outlast that of a Schon or a custom Searing, for example? No. Does it provide a less expensive alternative to people seeking a two piece cue? Absolutely.
Because i have never seen johnny archers cue in person let alone felt it i cant say for sure...but there would be absolutely no suprise felt on my part if his cue isnt exactly what your average bar bum player buys im sure he gave his own specific specs on his cue. but like i said i dont know for sure i just dont know why a man who could probably have any cue maker on the planet sponsor him would play with an average cheap cue...doesnt make sense to me...then again i never thought much of cuetec either i always considered them an entry level cue but look at who plays with them...just to name a few allison fisher and shane van boening both use cuetec...and for those of you who know her bonnie plowman told me she won all of her canadian championships with a "p.o.s cuetec"
9 ball...Scorpion cues are not a JA "brand". He is merely the "spokesperson" for the cues, which are made in China, by Cue Stix, out of CO. They were originally made, to answer the Cuetec Cues mass production cue, and Archer was chosen as the "rep" because he was the hot player at the time. I know Scorpion cues did have fiberglass over the wood shaft. Cuetec is now making some shafts without that coating. It's possible that the Scorpion cues are doing the same thing. It is an "entry level" cue, due to how it's manufactured, and the price point...plus the market the cues are aimed at (lower level recreational players). That doesn't mean that's all they are good for...just what the manufacturer had in mind, when producing the cues. Cue Stix did the same thing with the 5280 lines of cues, that used Corey Deuel as the 'spokesperson'. They discontinued them because of poor sales. If the same thing happened with the Scorpion line, you'd see it disappear too. Since it is pretty much the same cue as a Cuetec, and they continue to sell well, it's likely that Scorpion will hang around too.
Beer:30...Just FYI, but inlay work has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of a custom made cue, nor does it have anything to do with what the cue "feels" like, when you hit with it.
Scott Lee ~ not a 'forum snob', but fairly knowledgable
www.poolknowledge.com
Beer:30...Just FYI, but inlay work has absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of a custom made cue, nor does it have anything to do with what the cue "feels" like, when you hit with it.
Scott Lee ~ not a 'forum snob', but fairly knowledgable
www.poolknowledge.com
So if I bash the Mizerak line of cues that Walmart sells, I am saying that Steve Mizerak was an entry level player? Or the Minnesota Fats branded cues have his name on them so they must have been what made him so famous.
Detatch yourself from JA's nuts and realize that Scorpion cues are entry level cues because that is what they are made to be!
LMAO, you just called the guy a leech!
I agree with scott on this one. Its entry level because thats what the manufactureres want. Its there target market. And it has nothing to do with who's representing them at the time.
and some guys will look down on anything thats not a custom cue. doesnt matter how much it costs. I love my schon and so did johhny in the 90's and SVB before cuetec snapped him up. Its what they play with when there not being paid to do so that matters.
and some guys will look down on anything thats not a custom cue. doesnt matter how much it costs. I love my schon and so did johhny in the 90's and SVB before cuetec snapped him up. Its what they play with when there not being paid to do so that matters.
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Very well put. This should help put it into perspective that just because someone is a spokesperson for something, doesn't mean their reputation is upheld by that product.
TXsouthpaw...To to be trivial...but Shane played with a JOSS custom made for him...for years! 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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and why did you have to throw walmart in there...i think most of us should remember that walmart is now in the business of high end cues also lmfao...they sell schon online now
TXsouthpaw...To to be trivial...but Shane played with a JOSS custom made for him...for years!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
ok then it was a joss butt with a schon shaft. or the other way around. I always get it confused
schons are way better than scorpion cues. i'd take a beat to hell used joss before i bought a scorpion