Short pocket shelfs, and smaller playing surface vs Diamonds.
Scott Frost's opinion about Predator tables
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Coos Cues
Coos Cues
I had a fellow on FB insist there is no glue on earth strong enough to hold very tightly stretched basalt. Was thinking of watching your big ass pulling on 860 on the final end and wondering if he can stretch that granito cloth tighter than that.
Ask him if he wants to make a little wager on his beliefsI had a fellow on FB insist there is no glue on earth strong enough to hold very tightly stretched basalt. Was thinking of watching your big ass pulling on 860 on the final end and wondering if he can stretch that granito cloth tighter than that.
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I played on one, granted for maybe 3-4 racks, and I don't see really any issues with it. I liked the speed of the table more than a Diamond with new Simonis on it, was easier to control, maybe 20% slower. Banks where not bad, I think they split the line between a GC (which IMHO is the "truest" banking table) and a Diamond (which requires adjustment from a natural angle you feel you should get). Pockets played also right about the middle ground of a normal bar box and a Diamond, well cut smaller pocket, smaller shelf so easier to pocket than a Diamond.
Without going into the details of the construction quality, what they will be like in 20 years, how level they stay, I'd say they were a B+ or A- table to the Diamond A.
My issue was, for the same cost as a Diamond you are getting something that is only available in one modern looking black design with features that may not be as good as on a Diamond, so what is the point of using it over the real deal? For say a 25% or 30% discount they would be very competitive then. Say $5,000 vs 7,000/8,000.
The only problem with your observations is that they're just superficial. Like walking through a newly built home, yep, the walls are all painted, the doors open and close, that the toilet flushed. You missed all the important things, like the rails built out of plywood, the slate has to be lifted up in order to tighten the rail bolts, the leg levelers are cheap, the ball return tracks and gully boots are cheap made, won't last, where are you going to buy those replacement parts? The slate don't mount to the frame of the table, they use buckle seams to hold it to the frame, and the hacks are going to destroy those tables with in 5 years. The fact that Valley tables are built better is an understatement!! AND the playing surface is smaller than a Diamond 7ft, so the Predator isn't even the same size as a Diamond OR Valley!!
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Coos Cues
Coos Cues
If you use the number of staples required to hold like good glue does you would blow out your slate liner after about 2 recoverings. People don't know what they don't know until they do. The smart ones shut up then and the stupid ones still don't know.Someone that used to post here called me a liar for saying you can stretch cloth tighter with the glue method than you can with the staple method.
CanadianGuy
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why does SAM Billiards continue to get a pass on this? Is there a presumption that Predator contracted them to make budget tables masquerading as premium?
FWIW, I think the higher end stuff from Rasson and Joy is absolutely next level and the new gold standard
FWIW, I think the higher end stuff from Rasson and Joy is absolutely next level and the new gold standard
With all this about having earned the standing to push back against an industry "bully" and the political machine, why explain his grievances over the phone? If he's confident in what he's talking about, why not lay out his grievances in his statement?
If it's as bad as he seems to be implying, maybe he and some other stakeholders could hire a lawyer.
I'm not defending Predator, because all I know is that it's a prominent brand of pool equipment. I'm just saying that Scott's statement isn't the optimal way to address his grievance.
If it's as bad as he seems to be implying, maybe he and some other stakeholders could hire a lawyer.
I'm not defending Predator, because all I know is that it's a prominent brand of pool equipment. I'm just saying that Scott's statement isn't the optimal way to address his grievance.
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They need to learn how to built pool tables first that'll last more than 5 years if they expect to be the industry standard!!
Okay, point taken. It's a prominent brand of pool equipment. Post edited.
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CanadianGuy
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what are you recommendations of the top tables to buy new?
if you're familiar with the following, what are your thoughts on my home table? I bought it having played on them around town for a few years, I think I'm getting 90% of what the best tables deliver at half their price
BLACK CROWN II
EXCEEDING THE EXPECTATIONS OF CHAMPIONS A high quality product made especially to answer the highest of standards in the industry. The Black Crown II is the most sought commercial table. Within major tournaments, it has developed a solid reputation for consistent and quality play. A concept that...
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They remind me of Murreys. I like the name Black Crown. We had a room with black AMFs back when. Never thought to call 'em that.
That's funny, they have the rack holder on the wrong end of the table in the pic. Top quality for surewhat are you recommendations of the top tables to buy new?
if you're familiar with the following, what are your thoughts on my home table? I bought it having played on them around town for a few years, I think I'm getting 90% of what the best tables deliver at half their price
BLACK CROWN II
EXCEEDING THE EXPECTATIONS OF CHAMPIONS A high quality product made especially to answer the highest of standards in the industry. The Black Crown II is the most sought commercial table. Within major tournaments, it has developed a solid reputation for consistent and quality play. A concept that...
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what are you recommendations of the top tables to buy new?
if you're familiar with the following, what are your thoughts on my home table? I bought it having played on them around town for a few years, I think I'm getting 90% of what the best tables deliver at half their price
BLACK CROWN II
EXCEEDING THE EXPECTATIONS OF CHAMPIONS A high quality product made especially to answer the highest of standards in the industry. The Black Crown II is the most sought commercial table. Within major tournaments, it has developed a solid reputation for consistent and quality play. A concept that...
First of all, the value shouldn't drop off so much when new to used. Such a price drop indicates the lack of demand and quality. Second, used in which MAJOR pool tournaments? In pool rooms? Tournaments are played on ANY tables in pool rooms, that don't indicate the demand for the tables, just the ones being played on at the moment. The fact that you could buy it for such a cheap price indicates it's real value. Just like reselling a used Rasson 9ft, good luck getting back 30% of what you paid new. Diamonds on the other hand, are selling for more used than they were bought for new, it's all about supply and demand!what are you recommendations of the top tables to buy new?
if you're familiar with the following, what are your thoughts on my home table? I bought it having played on them around town for a few years, I think I'm getting 90% of what the best tables deliver at half their price
BLACK CROWN II
EXCEEDING THE EXPECTATIONS OF CHAMPIONS A high quality product made especially to answer the highest of standards in the industry. The Black Crown II is the most sought commercial table. Within major tournaments, it has developed a solid reputation for consistent and quality play. A concept that...
CanadianGuy
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OK so no experience with Canada Billiards, got it
and you're recommending Diamond as the best table to get?
and you're recommending Diamond as the best table to get?
Yes, it’s a very good table for the $. It looks a lot like the Brunswick Gold Crown.what are you recommendations of the top tables to buy new?
if you're familiar with the following, what are your thoughts on my home table? I bought it having played on them around town for a few years, I think I'm getting 90% of what the best tables deliver at half their price
BLACK CROWN II
EXCEEDING THE EXPECTATIONS OF CHAMPIONS A high quality product made especially to answer the highest of standards in the industry. The Black Crown II is the most sought commercial table. Within major tournaments, it has developed a solid reputation for consistent and quality play. A concept that...