Scott Frost's opinion about Predator tables
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Diamonds APA tables have 4 3/4" corner pockets vs 4 1/2" ProCut. Can't open the throat of the pocket by very much because that exposes the leather pocket liners to ball pocketing abuse, and will cut through the ears of the pocket liners.
Cobra....
Dr. Cue told me about this change two weeks ago at the Tropicana.
Dr. Cue told me about this change two weeks ago at the Tropicana.
I have 16 new Apa Diamonds coming in next Wednesday, I'll post pictures of the pockets.
Never noticed so I checked the website.
Looks like a raised lip on both the OX and Victory 2, to me as well... Odd that it didn't stick with me after my short timing playing with one. I'd be slightly lying if I said I recalled which table I hit balls on. I want to say the OX, but wouldn't bet strong money on it, especially now.
At this point the Rasson may dip a couple of spots on my list. I'll save that opinion until I have a chance to eyeball one of these tables again.
Corners look to be raised more than the sides.
Sounds like the alleged high run straight pool pockets.
I guess to each their own .. I never noticed it one time playing lol I just don’t trust the build quality of the predator tables right now.
Why does anyone ever doubt you lol a friend sent me the order sheet when I was just ordering mine showing the new league pocket choice you could get. Might as well get a valley and save 5 grand if I want big pockets. no thank you.
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The league cut pocket has been around since the 90s. Is this league cut different?
Edit: I carefully measured a Red label league cut pocket in 2013 (the table was a bit older than that). Below are the specs.
Mouth: 5"
Throat: 4 1/8"
Shelf Depth: 1 1/4"
Edit: I carefully measured a Red label league cut pocket in 2013 (the table was a bit older than that). Below are the specs.
Mouth: 5"
Throat: 4 1/8"
Shelf Depth: 1 1/4"
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If you ever get to Vegas, Bangin Ballz has a room full of 7' and 9' OX tables. I don't like the style but the tables play good from what I remember. I'm not convinced the small aluminum extruded frame is superior to Diamond. In any case I'd never buy a Rasson over the Diamond.
I've been working with Diamond since March 2000, and have never seen a Diamond of any model with a 5" corner pocket opening. After market cushions replaced all bets are off!!
The table came from the expo a few years prior. And was in a room in Philadelphia along with a second. The cushions I doubt were ever touched, the table was practically brand new. I measured it in 2013. I was playing on a GC and a 7’ to see which I could run more balls on in 14-1 in the same number of innings.
Anyway, let’s throw out the exact dimensions of the table I measured in 2013 for a moment. What is the difference between the league cut pockets discussed in this thread, and the league cut pockets Diamond offered for decades?
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its like all Sports on how tough you want the equpement to be.
in golf they have different longer tees. in baseball they play on bigger fields.
baskeball has the same height basket and short and young players arent as interested as you never make a shot go in.
tennis is going out and pickel ball in as regular tennis is no fun unless good and you cant get good not playing.
pool is the same way the smaller and tougher the table the less fun it is for anyone that isnt real good..
in golf they have different longer tees. in baseball they play on bigger fields.
baskeball has the same height basket and short and young players arent as interested as you never make a shot go in.
tennis is going out and pickel ball in as regular tennis is no fun unless good and you cant get good not playing.
pool is the same way the smaller and tougher the table the less fun it is for anyone that isnt real good..
Right. That’s why I never understood the obsession with tight pockets. If I owned a room, I’d want 5” bucket stock GC pockets on most of the tables. Then a small number of tight tables for the gamblers near the counter. With many of the modern professional tables now being super tight from the factory, it’s just too much except for the fanatics like us. Imo.
Edit: And while I love the look of the Predator top rail, and how the tight pocket facings flow perfectly into the rail/pocket parts (contrast that with the MR Rasoon tight table, that looks horrible with the cushion extended well inside of where it was designed to extend), that doesn't leave room for a design with bigger pockets for pool room owners to order for the banger customers that keep them in business.
You hit the point I’ve always said about valleys when players complain about them. THEY AREN’T MADE FOR US! Valleys are made for bar rooms where pool is just a way to keep people around drinking or arcades. Neither do you want customers Banging balls around Forever. The sooner they get the balls in the sooner they put more money into it to play another game. A local bar owner who recently remodeled their bar locally put a diamond in admitted to me they make less money now. They are happy they did it because her and her husband love pool and our both very good league Players.They both Have won out in nationals but she said you can watch and see the regulars take twice as long to play a single game which is of course decreased revenue. Valley’s for this reason our great tables. They are beasts that can take punishment and rarely have issues with the mechanicals But for an actual pool player they aren’t a challenge at all.
Tables might make less quarters per hour than Valleys, BUT the Diamonds also attract players that wouldn't go to the bar otherwise, and play longer, = increased bar sales, you MISS that part of a bar generating increased sales! I've replaced many, MANY Valley tables in the Spokane, WA area through Vending companies and bar table sales, no ones kicked out a Diamond yet and replaced it with a Valley
@realkingcobra From a couple of pages back... I wonder if a system of stretching and holding the cloth similar to to the screen printing method (the business I am in). Newman Roller frames are commonly used to stretch the mesh to specific tensions and keep it there. They are retensionable as well. Just a thought as I now zero about of tables are assembled.
I would think a manual version of this might be viable?
I would think a manual version of this might be viable?
DeeDeeCues
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A complicated, expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Over-engineering is a common problem.