Scott Lee and SPF

Nice thread, KC.
I feel coaching is the main reason records get broken at most disciplines.
..saves years of searching and experimenting.

Unfortunately, when I inquired about getting a coach......
...I was told to get one that was leaving town...:o

Some great instructors on AZ...some day I'll start a thread
 
Joel...Just wanted to thank you and Sue again for your wonderful hospitality! :thumbup: As for our workout together...it's the subtley in small movements that often create effective repeatable processes...or result in nagging problems continuing to dog us on the table. WATCH your tip, my friend...therein lies the solution! Hope to see you again soon!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

kaznj said:
Before coming to you, Scott, his wife Patti, and dog, Bark Lee spend a few days at my house. Scott and I were able to get to the pool hall together for a few hours helping with a problem I was having with my stroke. As usual Scott was a great help.
I also was able to help a friend connect with Scott. My friend is trying to become an instructor. Scott introduced Steve to the SPF philosophy of teaching. Steve had originally received his certification from an instructor who is classified as a master instructor. Steve learned so much that he had never learned before. The 3 hours intro lesson turned into a 6 hours session. My friend said his head hurt he had learned so much.
Scott went into NYC to work with Tony Robles' girl friend. What I find interesting about this is that here you have someone, Tony, who is considered a great instructor, having so much respect for Scott that Tony asked Scott to work with his girlfriend. This is a tremendous endorsement of how much knowlegable people think about Scott's teaching skills.
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Brian...Yeah about that bridge...just make sure to correct the other stuff, or it might become a "bridge over troubled water"! LOL It is indeed the subtle things we can see in slow motion (sometimes frame by frame) video that allows us to dissect what is happening, as we set up and deliver the cue. The goal is to create our "best" process...and then learn to make it automatic.

This trip is ending...we're heading home to MI. I got to work with a lot of AzBr's on this trip, including Gold Crown, Lee Hayes, kaznj, uski, Gail Glazebrook, IT Guy, Kickin' Chicken, freedog 69, roberthans, and few others. I'm on my way to Bison Billiards (Buffalo NY), just to stop in and say "hi", as I haven't been there before. Then it's home for a few days, before heading out on the next trip! Thanks to everyone, and see you on the tables! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Kickin' Chicken said:
A couple of final thoughts.

First, thank you kaznj for clarifying the Lee's dog's name for me. I referred to him in my op as "Barkley". Of course, the dog is really "Bark Lee". How funny and clever is that? :thumbup: When we were intoduced, it went right over my head. :o

Something else I forgot to mention that I thought was particularly helpful was during the video analysis, Scott was able to draw directly on the monitor screen so we could see during an entire shot sequence, and from shot to shot, what, if any, movement/changes in body position there were. A very simple and effective tool.

If Sean (sfleinen) is reading this, I want you to know that Scott also gave me an A++ on my bridge. :cool: :p :cool: He kept going on and on about it. At one point I think I heard him say it was more beautiful than San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge. I could be wrong but that's what I thought I heard him say. :grin:

Toward the end of the lesson, while trying to implement the new information into my routine, I couldn't roll balls straight into the pocket. Trying to shoot while consciously thinking about incorporating this new info, was understandably, not easy. However, it seems like with some reasonable practice it won't be hard to turn this info into my automatic, subconcious, routine. Scott did issue a warning not to try to use the new info too soon in any meaningful matches.

Thanks again, Scott, for coming by. I look forward to meeting up with you again sometime, hopefully soon.

Best,
Brian kc
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I pm'd Scott asking if he could explain what the priciple of SPF is. I've never heard of it.
I haven't recieved a response yet. Could someone else please explain?
 
Roadking said:
I pm'd Scott asking if he could explain what the priciple of SPF is. I've never heard of it.
I haven't recieved a response yet. Could someone else please explain?
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Simply put it deals with the three stops you make during your stroke. Set, Pause and Finish, SPF.
 
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Hello- I just want to reiterate how great of an instructor Scott is, it was a pleasure working with him. I don't have the luxury of having a table in my home so I had to book time at the local pool hall. Which I can't say enough about Calvin and his staff at the Billiard Cafe. I was able to book a private room in the back for the same table rate as in the public area. My lesson was suppose to be a 4 hr lesson. Well what constitutes 4 hrs in Lee time is getting asked to pack it up because the pool hall was closing. Note this was about 8 hrs into the lesson. Calvin only charged me the 4 hrs and waived the rest of the time. Scott is extremely friendly and knowledgeable and I can't thank him enough. If there are any players who like to just shoot pool that are in the NH, MA, ME or CT area I would love to meet and maybe shoot a few racks. In the next few weeks I will be driving through CT so we might be able to hook up and play. Note: I am not a great player and I never gamble. I am just looking for new friends to shoot with that are in my area. Thanks everyone feel free to PM me.
 
Roadking said:
I pm'd Scott asking if he could explain what the priciple of SPF is. I've never heard of it.
I haven't recieved a response yet. Could someone else please explain?
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SPF are the three stops of your cue stick. We simply added values to each stop. When viewed in slow motion, we are able to detect even the smallest of errors.

All SPF instructors use this type of video review.

Scott is one of the best at this.


Randyg
Father of the SPF Family
 
randyg said:
SPF are the three stops of your cue stick. We simply added values to each stop. When viewed in slow motion, we are able to detect even the smallest of errors.

All SPF instructors use this type of video review.

Scott is one of the best at this.


Randyg
Father of the SPF Family
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Randy;

Of course, as you know, and as I said in my op, there is nothing that struck me as even remotely gimmicky or illogical about the SPF approach.

It is an in-depth, meaningful stroke analysis followed by correction where needed, and the knowledge and tools to reinforce proper set/pause/finish, so that this can become your default, subconcious, shot routine.

A very logical, straightforward, and effective program to help players find their accurate and repeatable stroke. :thumbup:

And best of all is that it's not complicated. :cool:

Best,
Brian kc
 
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KC,

My experience with Scott was very similar to yours. I was doing most things very well, but also saw the elbow drop right at or very close to the moment of impact on 3 or 4 of the 7 shots. Also saw tension on the through stroke on certain shots. I take video of myself occasionally, but seeing it at 30 frames per second at the correct angle and with the correct lighting, and then being able to discuss it with someone was very helpful.

I fixed my elbow drop at impact issue simply by moving my back hand backward a bit so it was more perpendicular (I was slightly ahead before), and have been working on my PSR and keep a relaxed arm since. I never fully embraced the pure pendulum style, I still have a similar stroke to before, but a few tweaks have increased my consistency, and I can always go back to the drills to reinforce or relearn the pendulum thing if I decide to in the future.

Scott was very professional and knowledgeable and had a very defined approach that was still flexible enough to be tuned to the player. And he went well over the defined time of the lesson as well, which was certainly appreciated.
Scott
 
Just wanted to mention that I did stop in and play for a few hours last Monday evening, at Bison Billiards. The owner, Mike, was very gracious and friendly. The next day, my wife and I traveled across CA, and stopped into Rack & Roll Billiards, in Sarnia, ONT. I had met the owners last May in Vegas, and they are interested in doing a pool school in their room. Back at home now, and after a couple of days of rest, I'm working on my next trip.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott Lee said:
Brian...Yeah about that bridge...just make sure to correct the other stuff, or it might become a "bridge over troubled water"! LOL It is indeed the subtle things we can see in slow motion (sometimes frame by frame) video that allows us to dissect what is happening, as we set up and deliver the cue. The goal is to create our "best" process...and then learn to make it automatic.

This trip is ending...we're heading home to MI. I got to work with a lot of AzBr's on this trip, including Gold Crown, Lee Hayes, kaznj, uski, Gail Glazebrook, IT Guy, Kickin' Chicken, freedog 69, roberthans, and few others. I'm on my way to Bison Billiards (Buffalo NY), just to stop in and say "hi", as I haven't been there before. Then it's home for a few days, before heading out on the next trip! Thanks to everyone, and see you on the tables! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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