Scott Smith Could Never Be Overpaid
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vagabond said:
Golden Cue - 19th Ave & Camelback - Phoenix (I was about 12 years old and it was just down the street from home!!) and later hung around the Golden Eight Ball run by Pete Glenn and his family - and then made the rounds of all the rooms and bars in the Phx area.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
ironman said:
All Scott needs to do is not allow the players well known or not to play when they are extra late. This will happen a few times and there will be a lot of arguments and whining but there is no place else with action like there and the players know it. Word will get around in a hurry and the players will reaize that they are not more important than the DCC. If Scott is the director he needs to make the format clear at the player meeting and then enforce the rules rigidly and immediately. If a guy needs 20 more minutes of rest because he was in action until the wee hours he better make sure that he won the action because he won't get the opportunity to play durung the day if he is late. Be definite, be fair but be CONSISANT FROM THE GET GO! If I am going to travel over 3,000 miles and stay for a week I want to see guys on the table when they are suppose there, I guess that I may unrealistic but I really don't believe that/
I think the problem of not knowing when your match will be called is a major problem. There were matches that were forfeited because players were simply eating in the restaurant or in their hotel room. If you knew what time your matches were scheduled then the complete responsibility of getting there on time would be that of the player. Right now, you have to continually check every hour on the hour or even more frequent to determine when you are going to play.
The pager idea makes sense. Tournament promoters and directors need to have some system in place to provide players with better information than, "Come back in an hour" or "Your guess is as good as ours".
When tournaments are this long, some system of notifying players when their matches are beginning needs to be put in place that is more accurate than the current one. Otherwise, we have all of the excuses of "I was here 30 minutes ago and you told me to come back in an hour" and more.
JoeyA
The pager idea makes sense. Tournament promoters and directors need to have some system in place to provide players with better information than, "Come back in an hour" or "Your guess is as good as ours".
When tournaments are this long, some system of notifying players when their matches are beginning needs to be put in place that is more accurate than the current one. Otherwise, we have all of the excuses of "I was here 30 minutes ago and you told me to come back in an hour" and more.
JoeyA
ironman said:
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It's not a normal tournament with a bracket and a decent guestimated time that you play. If it were run off of a bracket, then yes that would be fine, but that's not the case.ironman said:
Jack Madden said:
Hi Jack! I played at the Golden Eight Ball a couple of times a number of years ago when I was TDY to Williams AFB. I had the pleasure of meeting and spending some time with Pete Glenn in Colorado Springs last year. He still plays a pretty tough game of one-pocket and has a hell of a collection of cues. Very nice man.
coastydad said:
The Glenns sold the GEB to David Lee - he moved it to 27th Ave & Camelback - used to be a ice skating rink - my kids used to take skating lessons there. Glad to hear Pete is still shooting - talked to him about a year or so ago - know his family has a place south of Colorado Springs. Yes, he is a nice man --- he sort of took me under his wing many many years ago and we played for days - very good memories of him.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
coastydad said:
This fella is pretty funny to watch practice. He lays down BIG when he sees people watching him. Even when the whole room knows he can play, the hustle is on
I don't know him but he came over and asked to play some "cheap sets" when he noticed me watching him miss several shots. It was classic
From what I have heard, he plays lock up... David Lee hits em pretty well too...
Gerald said:
One of the main reasons that I go to DCC is in hopes that I will get to play a few of the pros. Last year was awesome, I got to play five of them.
This year I had three matches where there was one pro, one well known and one unknown player that were significantly late to the scheduled/announced time. The pro was a half an hour late, no forfeit. the well known was 40 minutes late, no forfeit and the unknown was given a forfeit.
Let it be known, that I was the unknown player
and forfeited my match, as I should have, being that late. Sure I was bummed and upset that I lost that way, but I accepted it because it was my fault for not being there on time. I'm not saying that I want to win by forfeit, as I was definitly not the favorite to win any of those three matches. But I was and still am a little peeved that these other players were given favoritism with more than their share of allotted time to show up late without any repercussions. Arriving as late as those two did is nothing short of disrespectful and rude to boot! I feel as a "pro", or "semi-pro" player, they should be setting high standards of professionalism, rather than lowering them.
I don't want this aimed at a single person, since there was more than one person running this tournament. I really, really enjoy this tournament and plan on going back for years to come. I just hope that in the future events, the "powers that be" will begin treat all players, that pay their entries equally.
I totally agree that Scott does a fabulous job and is the ONLY person that should be considered to run a pro tournament. Super nice guy too and was a very good player.
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jungledude said:
I disagree. I think Scott is a fabulous character and a great MC. I don't think he is a particularly great tournament director or referee. I think that pro tournaments need a rather dry tournament director who is concerned with ONLY running the tournament and presiding over the referees AND a qualified MC to introduce the matches and make announcements. I think Scott needs to build a team to do this and THEN he will be the greatest tournament director.
John
jungledude said:
I think Jay Helfert does as well. In order to be a good tournament director you have to make a commitment to put up with a lot of crap besides a lot of paper work. What pool player wants to go through with that. We have to be thankful for guys like Jay and Scott who do it for little copensation in return. Its for the love of the game. I just hope they can treat all players as equals. But in this world I dont know if that can happen. I know George Clooney will always get a better table in a restaurant than me.
yobagua said:
Thanks for the plug. We just did the Swanee tourney in L.A. and had 164 players and had to play it in two days. Came off without a hitch. Long, long days but a great tournament for the players. I'm in recovery mode.
Match Times
I was at this years DCC and played in the Bank Pool Division. The scheduling of matches was a big problem and very confusing for all the players. The match times were supposed to be available on the television in your hotel room but often this was not the case.
It seemed like you had to keep checking back hour after hour to see when you played. Players had friends who looked out for them while they were resting in their rooms or eating. Something needs to be done to improve this system.
My sense is that with the present "buy back" system in place, there will always be scheduling problems at DCC. There just isn't enough time to play all the required matches (with over 400 players per division) on any kind of regular schedule.
I don't see it getting any better next year either. Play and stay seems to be the best alternative. It has to be a nightmare for those trying to run the event, as they are constantly beseiged with players asking when they play again.
My suggestion is to go the standard Double Elimination format and let players on the one loss side buy back in to continue. That way the same monies are raised (I don't want to get into the fairness of "buy backs") and match times can be scheduled. If a player chooses not to buy back in, his match becomes a forfeit.
I know the above sounds crazy (even when I read it), but it would work better than the present system.
JoeyA said:
I was at this years DCC and played in the Bank Pool Division. The scheduling of matches was a big problem and very confusing for all the players. The match times were supposed to be available on the television in your hotel room but often this was not the case.
It seemed like you had to keep checking back hour after hour to see when you played. Players had friends who looked out for them while they were resting in their rooms or eating. Something needs to be done to improve this system.
My sense is that with the present "buy back" system in place, there will always be scheduling problems at DCC. There just isn't enough time to play all the required matches (with over 400 players per division) on any kind of regular schedule.
I don't see it getting any better next year either. Play and stay seems to be the best alternative. It has to be a nightmare for those trying to run the event, as they are constantly beseiged with players asking when they play again.
My suggestion is to go the standard Double Elimination format and let players on the one loss side buy back in to continue. That way the same monies are raised (I don't want to get into the fairness of "buy backs") and match times can be scheduled. If a player chooses not to buy back in, his match becomes a forfeit.
I know the above sounds crazy (even when I read it), but it would work better than the present system.
I think Jay Helfert is the best tournament director out there. Scott Smith is great as an announcer and referee.
jay helfert said:
I experienced the same problems in trying to follow the matches. I know it drove everyone crazy trying to figure out when they were playing. It should be changed as you suggested. That would also give the players more freedom to match up, or play across the street, or perhaps just rest.