Scratch Pool

9BallWill

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Anyone play this on a semi-regular basis? Really fun game! It's where you break like 8 ball, then you have to carom the object ball off the cue ball into a pocket. your cue never touches the cue ball... take a minute to get used to as you're always shooting at the cb itself. I'd try it if I were you...

Really teaches you follow, draw, and english and how the balls react to one another.
 
It's a lot of fun, but realitvely easy for an accomplished player once the balls are spread. Eight and out is very common when good players try this game.

Make sure you clean the balls when the game is done, as they will have chalk on them, which can creates skids.
 
sjm said:
It's a lot of fun, but realitvely easy for an accomplished player once the balls are spread. Eight and out is very common when good players try this game.

Make sure you clean the balls when the game is done, as they will have chalk on them, which can creates skids.
So do you play this like 8-ball, shooting solids or stripes and then the 8? Or just race to any 8 balls in a heads-up match?
 
9BallWill said:
Anyone play this on a semi-regular basis? Really fun game! It's where you break like 8 ball, then you have to carom the object ball off the cue ball into a pocket. your cue never touches the cue ball... take a minute to get used to as you're always shooting at the cb itself. I'd try it if I were you...

Really teaches you follow, draw, and english and how the balls react to one another.

Will,
Willie Jopling has challenged the world in this game (kiss pool, reverse pool, Irish billiards). Evidently he is GREAT at it. We will see, as he is appearing in the AZB room at DCC; and OHB and I are both going to have at him (my high run is 13 at this game, I bet Willies is 113).
 
This is from an old thread....

Originally Posted by Slowhand
Is this a known game, or just something I invented?

In carom 8-ball, the only time that the tip of your cue comes in contact with the white cue ball is on the break. The object of the game is to sink the ball that you are hitting with your cue, in the pocket that you call. It's as if you were trying to scratch on every shot. You can't simply shoot your ball directly into a pocket, it has to carom off any other ball. If it doesn't carom off another ball then it will get spotted and it's loss of turn. Again, the only legal shot is when the ball that you hit with your cue stick falls in the pocket that you call after it makes contact with another ball.

The rules for the order that balls are pocketed, including open table and choice of solids or stripes, are the same as in 8-ball. Sinking the 8-ball after making your other seven balls wins the game. If the player shooting makes a legal shot and also pockets another ball, then that ball will stay down. If the shooting player fails to make a legal shot but slops another ball in, his ball will be spotted while his opponent's ball will stay down. The white ball must be on the table for every shot, if it falls in then it will be spotted before the next shot. Calling the cue ball in the corner pocket on the break is a legal shot, this allows the player to shoot again after spotting the white ball. The need for the white ball to remain on the table is evident when both players are shooting at the 8-ball, they need another ball to carom off of.


The reason I invented this game was for practice at caroms. In 9-ball, situations arose where I had an option to carom off of the lowest ball to sink the 9. In 8-ball, there were situations where a pocket was blocked by an opponents ball and I needed to first short rail my ball then carom off his to pocket my ball. It also helped with getting a better feel for tangent lines and Q-ball control.

I haven't played this game in years, but I believe it taught me some valuable lessons.

A friend of mine once ran a rack in five shots, not counting the break, making two of his balls at a time. I was very impressed.


Originally Posted by Rackmsuckr:

This game has been around for many years. I have played this game for about 20 years and it is a valuable drill. Especially for tangent lines, using all kinds of English and follow and draw. We call it Goofy Pool, Carom Pool or Scratch Pool. Of course, we call the ball and the pocket. Three exceptions to your version:

1. I take every ball off the cue ball. Cue ball scratches are spotted and one of your balls also get spotted. I break with the 1 (CB is racked in the head ball spot) and try to scatter the pack while making the 1 ball.

2. Second exception is that the caromed ball does not have to go in, but can make another ball. Let's say you have a ball hanging in the side pocket. If I draw my ball off the CB and draw it into the hanger, it is a legal shot. When you use force follow, this is very useful to watch the path of your "cueball' to make either your 'CB' or another ball that couldn't be made on a straight carom. Same if I glance off the CB, go 3 rails and make a hanger in the corner, etc. There are infinite variations of this shot. That's why I like it because you can get very imaginative! If the CB is hidden, then you also have to figure out tangent lines on kicks, which helps your defensive kicking. This taught me how to play safe caroming off a ball 1 or more rails too - angles and speed.

3. The ball you hit (your 'cueball') can hit a rail(s) first to be pocketed off the CB. For instance, another 3 rail kick, this time hitting the rails first instead of the CB first as in point 2, then going off the CB sitting near your destination pocket with a sweet kiss. Or going rail first off the backside of a ball to pocket it.
 
The trick is.........

Williebetmore said:
Will,
Willie Jopling has challenged the world in this game (kiss pool, reverse pool, Irish billiards). Evidently he is GREAT at it. We will see, as he is appearing in the AZB room at DCC; and OHB and I are both going to have at him (my high run is 13 at this game, I bet Willies is 113).

If you can get the cue ball real close to a pocket and maybe frozen to another ball - it is pretty easy to run out.

TY & GL
 
Willie Jopling's rules

BILLIARD POOL, KISS POOL or LOOP

Billiard Pool is played on a pocket billiard table and should not be confused with Billiards. Its common name is Kiss Pool. This game may be played like straight pool to fifty or one-hundred points or like one pocket with the winner making eight balls out of a rack of fifteen. Loop is pool spelled backwards.

Object of Game: To strike an object ball with your cue stick and carom it off the cueball and into a pocket. You must call the pocket for each shot. The numbered ball you strike with your cue stick is the only ball you can score with. You may shoot any numbered ball on the table.

Setup: The cueball and fourteen numbered balls are racked at the foot of the table with the cueball in the rack on the foot spot. The fifteenth ball is then placed on the head spot and used as a break ball. When playing a point game such as fifty or one-hundred points, all fifteen balls are pocketed. Then the balls are re-racked as before and the shooter has the break shot to continue his run. Each break shot is always off the head spot. The total of the scores in each rack add up to fifteen.

Break: The break is to the advantage and the breaker caroms the break ball off the cueball into one of the comer pockets at the foot of the table. The breaker continues to carom numbered balls off the cueball until he either misses or scratches. Then it is your turn at the table and you may shoot any numbered ball calling the pocket for each shot.

Scratches: Generally, Straight Pool rules apply, You scratch if you: pocket the cueball; do not hit the cueball; fail to hit a rail or pocket the object ball; jump the cueball off the table. If you scratch and make a ball on the same shot you spot the one you made and you lose one for the scratch. When your opponent scratches the cueball into the pocket it is spotted and you may shoot any numbered ball on the table.

Additional Rules: The cueball is always spotted on or behind the foot spot. All numbered balls are spotted on or ahead of the head spot. The numbered ball you strike with your cue stick is the only ball you can score with. All shots must go in clean as in Bank Pool. Kisses or combinations do not count. However, double kisses on the cueball are allowed only if they are called. Any stray balls pocketed from the force of the cueball are spotted after each inning. Each ball legally pocketed is one point.

Scoring: Playing a point game like Straight Pool you are penalized a ball for each scratch or foul. Should you make a ball and scratch you spot the ball you made and take one off your score for the scratch. If you scratch without making a ball you just take one off your score. In the first rack you must keep track of your scratches and take them off your score at the end of that rack. When playing by the rack like One Pocket and you scratch you must spot the ball you made (if you made one) plus a ball for the scratch. This keeps the total scores at fifteen.

Rules by Willie Jopling
© 1978 from Willie Jopling’s Book on Pocket Billiards
 
I heard there's some poolhall in delaware where there is action for this game...forgot the name though...maybe someone else knows it?
 
9BallWill said:
Anyone play this on a semi-regular basis? Really fun game! It's where you break like 8 ball, then you have to carom the object ball off the cue ball into a pocket. your cue never touches the cue ball... take a minute to get used to as you're always shooting at the cb itself. I'd try it if I were you...

Really teaches you follow, draw, and english and how the balls react to one another.

As well as being fun, this a great game for people who are ready to learn about position. I agree that this could teach you all of the above, and should be played by all that can pocket balls relatively well & is ready for the next step. They will have a ball while learning.
 
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