Scruggs joint identification

I sure hope so. I bought it from Mr. Scruggs himself in '04 or '05. It is, or more accurately was, my "daily player" for many years.

Edit: Somewhere/somehow I learned that mine was an example of a "new" trademark that Mr. Scruggs created in order to frustrate the forgers from China. It is possible that Mr. Scruggs told me this himself when I purchased my cue (we talked a long time about pool and cues) but I might have read this -- at times my memory fails me to the point I am reluctant to swear to my own name.

So, Acsue, you need to beg, borrow, and steal enough to get what you want, If it is a Scruggs you want, get together 2,500, come to AZ and say, "I want a Scruggs and I got the money". My bet is you will get several responses. Do not jump at the first one,
 
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WildWing said:
Well, we don't know that you got called an asshole by a known seller on here. You made a deal on Ebay, not here. You made a big mistake by not checking here with some good pictures, to see whether it was the real deal.

If you got called an asshole, it's not on this thread. A few of us did try to give you a bit of advice.

I'll bet you're not done with cues, but you've learned a bit.
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Go read this nimrod's posts. He's a trolling tool. I put him on Ignore shortly after he joined. This shit is right up his alley.
 
Biloxi Boy said:
I sure hope so. I bought it from Mr. Scruggs himself in '04 or '05. It is, or more accurately was, my "daily player" for many years. I am very much looking forward to the day I can play pool again.

So, Acsue, you need to beg, borrow, and steal enough to get what you want, If it is a Scruggs you want, get together 2,500, come to AZ and say, "I want a Scruggs and I got the money". My bet is you will get several responses. Do not jump at the first one,
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That's what I'm thinking. A big pin
 
Ascue said:
Fact is I thought the cue may be a rare scruggs.lmao
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Never unreasonable to suspect such a thing about many cues. Occasionally such things are found or already known. Occasionally one takes a chance on such a thing.

I'm glad it's working out. And now we have pics and records here if that cue pops up again.

If it were me, I would ask for a refund that reflects a reasonable price for the cue, keep the cue, and have that logo removed.
 
garczar said:
Go read this nimrod's posts. He's a trolling tool. I put him on Ignore shortly after he joined. This shit is right up his alley.
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I only give what I recieve
garczar said:
Go read this nimrod's posts. He's a trolling tool. I put him on Ignore shortly after he joined. This shit is right up his alley.
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Here's the deal garczar, I made a post that nobody liked. Many people attacked me. I attacked back. Now I don't remember much about and I dont remember you in particular as a bad guy. Anything I said that has pissed you off so badly I apologize for. Im sincere. I hope you don't have me on iggy.
 
Ascue said:
Lucky enough to pick up a Scruggs. Wondering how the experts identify or describe this joint. I know it's a 3/8 10 but beyond that. Also, does that tip look original? Seems like a hard tip to me. What a beautiful sound it makes.
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I can’t see the threads perfectly but it looks like a 3/8-10 acme thread.
 
That logo looks like the second one in this picture linked below. I don’t feel confident the OP’s is fake. I did buy a new Scruggs in 1999, and have had maybe 10 in my hands over the years. I’m super far from an expert, however.

Buster8001

Thread 'Tim Scruggs logo history'

I remember someone posting a picture collage of Tim's logos used throughout his career; at least for when he was using a logo. I can't seem to find that picture anywhere. I thought I had it saved, and I tried to search with no joy.

Can anyone help?
This thread had a lot of weird turns I’m not quite sure what I’m reading.
 
WildWing said:
Well, a bill of sale from Tim Scruggs with the exact description of the cue would be great.

However, there are so many things wrong. First, when he used a 3/8 thread pin, it normally had the rounded bullet tip to it. This cue doesn't. Also, most TS logos have the little tick marks on both the T and the S. There were short periods where they weren't the case, but very short periods. I have many Scruggs cues, and all but one does not have this logo above. See above for most of them. You are aware, that Tim's logo has been copied all over Asia? Also, none of his catalogs have a wood joint pictured, though he could have done it. Also, the black accent rings on the shaft portion of the joint are thicker than the butt ring portions. Tim would never do that. The shaft facing does not look like Tim's, very rough. The bumper extends past the butt plate longer than most Scruggs cues. There are no really good pictures of the forearm, wrap, and bumper, and inside the bumper.

So much wrong for a Scruggs. However, a bill of sale with this exact description would be useful.
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No wood joint? Come on man? He made a bunch. Mine has a cocobolo wood joint.
 
Ascue said:
Im sending the cue back. Seller is sorry and I believe him. He was selling it for a guy that used it 35 years and never knew.
The reason I started this thread is, after receiving the cue, I suspected that joint . Fact is I thought the cue may be a rare scruggs.lmao
It's rare alright. I'd like to thank all good input. As of now I think blaslett on ebay is faultless in this and will update
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No one was forging Tim Scruggs cues 35 years ago. If that is a true story, I’d bet the cue you bought is authentic. Kind of ugly imo, but authentic.

His cues were extremely affordable until about the early 2000’s.

In the late 90s, A sneaky Pete was $180. A Plain Jane custom was $450 range. A high end 4 pointer, cocobolo wood joint and wrap, ivory accents, was $1400 (what I personally bought). These were dealer prices. I remember them well. My local hall in PA had many Scruggs for sale over the years.

Then in the early 2000’s they blew up in price.
 
iusedtoberich said:
No one was forging Tim Scruggs cues 35 years ago. If that is a true story, I’d bet the cue you bought is authentic. Kind of ugly imo, but authentic.

His cues were extremely affordable until about the early 2000’s.

In the late 90s, A sneaky Pete was $180. A Plain Jane custom was $450 range. A high end 4 pointer, cocobolo wood joint and wrap, ivory accents, was $1400 (what I personally bought). These were dealer prices. I remember them well. My local hall in PA had many Scruggs for sale over the years.

Then in the early 2000’s they blew up in price.
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If so or no, by '04 or '05 the forgeries had gotten so bad that Mr. Scruggs had to design and implement a new trademark. See photo above.
 
mikepage said:
Now you guys have me paranoid. I bought this simple SP on ebay probably in 1999. Any comments?
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Not easy to tell in this case. However, the logo is quite thin and uneven. The brass collet inside the shaft were usually more rounded than what your picture shows. Also, by 1999, Scruggs sneakies usually had a small joint collar of some kind, but probably some plain ones were made as well. Those aren't disqualifiers, just my observations. It would help to see the bumper and underneath the bumper.
 
iusedtoberich said:
No one was forging Tim Scruggs cues 35 years ago. If that is a true story, I’d bet the cue you bought is authentic. Kind of ugly imo, but authentic.

His cues were extremely affordable until about the early 2000’s.

In the late 90s, A sneaky Pete was $180. A Plain Jane custom was $450 range. A high end 4 pointer, cocobolo wood joint and wrap, ivory accents, was $1400 (what I personally bought). These were dealer prices. I remember them well. My local hall in PA had many Scruggs for sale over the years.

Then in the early 2000’s they blew up in price.
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They have blown up to where I need to ask if I really want one.
 
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