Searching people cheat (money) by Tony Zinzola.
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English is not my first language either!!!!! That is not the point I was trying to make, I kinda think the person who started this thread is an Alien!!!!!:smile:
By the way I speak three languages, but besides that I could care less about verbiage my comments are directed at the content!!!!
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dom_poppa
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Before you ask a question, please break it down so us ignorant folks can understand what the hell your talking about!!!!!!!
Then if you want to drag someone through the dirt save the crap for another forum, another place and time, or another Bat Channel because some one who can't communicate like yourself should fix that before you start a negative thread about some one else!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yeah::kma:
Have a wonderful evening!!!!!:smile:
I don't think he's dragging any cue maker down. He's merely opened up a can of worms. Seeing now there are a couple of posters coming forward about their cues being late as well.
Sometimes a forum is a good way to get the cue maker to come out to the public and explain why they have hundreds of dollars of their customers and no cue has arrived.
Wow, shows how much you know
Anyways, I guess my point was this: If you are going to come on here and your first post is something fairly unintelligible, along with ripping into someone, it might help your case to present it a little better. :thumbup:
do you think that cuemakers care about the secondary market,and the value of there cues there? if a cuemaker cant complete cues in the time frame that he states and is backed up so far that he cant take orders(it seems to me he has to much work allready and secondary market prices dont matter) plus he allready has a deposit on the work he is doing and normally a set price is allready been given...my guess is this is why some cuemakers dont take a deposit as some of them have said in the past... maybe they want the freedom to work on cues and if crap happens your not out cash and they dont have to come up with the money to give a refund...i can only go by what i see on az and the few cue shows i go to but i dont think cuemakers have a problem selling most of what they make...so by not taking a deposit they still have the freedom to post cues that are completed and give pool players and collectors an instant product or by selling to dealer...i have no problem waiting for a cue and even best when they tell me it will be ready when it is ready...however i want to here that from the begining...not a year or two down the road...i have 2 cues on order now and from the start i was told they will call me when they are done....this seems to really work for me as a buyer as i am not out the deposit money and they dont fill like my foot is on there neck to have them done by a certain time frame...i really think tony tries his best to please his customers he just doesnt have the time or the resources to do it in....most cuemakers do it as a hobby and when the work load becomes more than a hobbiest can keep up with...well you know crap hits the fan most of the time..i really do wish tony the best and for all the people who are owend cues by tony, i hope you get them in a timely manner...mickey carroll
My observation and humble opinion:
For the op, on his very 1st post to az, to have "cheat" and "Tony Zinzola" in the title is rather harsh.
But, if there is something specific he has to say on this subject, say it!
Where I have a problem is in how he is looking for others to chime in with their Zinzola stories without him having ever shared his.
And btw, I know first hand that Tony has had some issues and certainly has gotten behind on some orders but I don't think I ever heard of him going into hiding and cutting off communication with his customers.
If the op has a specific gripe, then I suggest he spill it.
And I don't think it's particularly important whether or not his grammar and syntax are perfect. As long as we can understand what he's trying to get across.
all of the above is, of course, jmo. :smile:
best,
brian kc
For the op, on his very 1st post to az, to have "cheat" and "Tony Zinzola" in the title is rather harsh.
But, if there is something specific he has to say on this subject, say it!
Where I have a problem is in how he is looking for others to chime in with their Zinzola stories without him having ever shared his.
And btw, I know first hand that Tony has had some issues and certainly has gotten behind on some orders but I don't think I ever heard of him going into hiding and cutting off communication with his customers.
If the op has a specific gripe, then I suggest he spill it.
And I don't think it's particularly important whether or not his grammar and syntax are perfect. As long as we can understand what he's trying to get across.
all of the above is, of course, jmo. :smile:
best,
brian kc
Yesterday Tony Zinzola send me a e-mail and he promised me again to pay me back. That is the reason for not sending more post. The goal of the first post was to get a feeling if it is just a problem I have or that it is structural problem. My story is (in a nutshell) -> in June 2010 a ordered a cue an pay my deposit. The cue had to be delivered at the Billiard expo 2011. The cue was not ready and was patient. After 6 months of delay a wan't to have a picture of the process. I did not get a picture and I decided that I want to have my deposit back (December 2011). On this moment I'am waiting for 6 months (May 2012) to have my deposit back and I was a little pissed off. Of course I have attempted to get a gentleman solution with a lot of communication. For now a want to wait and see if he will keep his yesterday promise.
That's ridiculous. Just ask for your money back. If he refuses, since you live close, spend $7 to file a small claims suit. 18 months for a cue is absurd.
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Hope your money arrive soon.
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I agree with you jew711
Quick thought for the OP
Own 7 Zinzolas, have another in the works, Tony has always communicated with me. I am the person with the patience to wait 3 years for my 1st Hercek, 4 years for my 2nd and have another 4 years for
my 3rd.
These are top self cues, if you want it quick, buy on the secondary market, or settle for a Schon. I also hear Dale Perry has a fast turn around time.
Thankyou
Kennan
I've been expecting a cue from Mr. Zinzola since February of 2011. A plain ebony cue with one shaft. After several months I had given up on it but out of the blue, at the beginning of November, he sends me a message stating he hasn't forgotten about me and it would only take a little more time. That was the last time I ever got a response from him. You guys can back Mr. Zinzola all you want. You can give him excuses like he has a family to worry about or he is backed up with orders. But what you can't do is deny the fact that he has cheated several people out of promised cues.
If he wants his money back, that's fine. I don't know the particulars of his deal or even care for that matter. But, I think 18-24 months for a cue is about the standard from most cue makers. Could be wrong though.
wow
If this is true; I would say it must be a record for having patience; 5 Years?
I can't imagine what it must be like to be a cue builder that accepts orders and money from people all over, and fall behind for months and years, and having already spent the money, deal with people who want their money back.
What a way to do business!
brother paid 1k deposit waited 5 years no cue asked for deposit back Tony sent 500 deposit backthen 3 months later after repeated requests for the other 500 he finally sent it.
If this is true; I would say it must be a record for having patience; 5 Years?
I can't imagine what it must be like to be a cue builder that accepts orders and money from people all over, and fall behind for months and years, and having already spent the money, deal with people who want their money back.
What a way to do business!
18 months and the man never started the cue isn't absurd...it's fraud. I'd never give deposit with things being this loose. At this point you'd have no recourse if the man told you to just jump in the lake. I hope you guys have written contracts, word of mouth is nothing when it comes to a contract.
JC
Coos Cues
How tiresome are these threads about Tony. If you can't wait indefinitely then have someone else build your cue. Who doesn't know that by now? As for Tony having "all of the money"? That's a mistake on you. Who pays in full with zero to show? If it took Tony to teach you not to do that then you owe him big time before some contractor gets to your house and really sticks it to you.
JC
JC
I stand corrected.
Its not about wait times...thats obvious while ordering a custom cue. Its about missing promised delivery times by a year or more and being lied to on numerous occassions.
Not too worried about the money...as I stated before I am a stones throw away and a simple sunday drive to recollect my money would be easy. I suppose that part of my post was irrelevant. The main thing here is the "promises" made by the cuemaker in question. I have no problem whatsoever waiting 2 years for a product if that was the agreed deal. My problem lies in the fact that the original delivery date has been missed ten fold. On top of that, I know that folks who ordered after me have taken delivery on their cues. How long do u think Joe Rogan waited for his cue from Tony, not too long I suspect. Anyhow, I do hope for the sake of tonys cues he gets caught up and gets orders out..especially mine. I know he hates these threads and they bum him out but business is exactly that...business.i just wanted to post in this thread so others know they are not alone in the Zinzola thing. As far as feeling cheated...i dont, I know I will get my cue and I know it will be beautiful..just wish the whole deal didnt go so crappy
My post was talking about the text which you made in your post. "18 months for a cue is absurd"
No where was it mentioned the cue wasn't started. What you said above is the only reference in the thread about not starting the cue after 18 months. If that's the case, I would question it also. Was only talking in regard to your sentence. Have a good day.