shooter_Hans
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I didn’t bring up his name.Except he would never ask for money to get it back he would just do it. You shouldn’t speak on things you know nothing about.
Him and I have no problems.
I didn’t bring up his name.Except he would never ask for money to get it back he would just do it. You shouldn’t speak on things you know nothing about.
He needs a business manager and an accountant. Also he should stop accepting any repairs until he completes his back log. No new cue building nothing until he clears up the mess his mismanagement has created…Yep. Good craftsman/poor manager.
I think his best bet now is to settle up as quickly as possible. He should design/ produce a line of cues and sell them after completed.
You will wait another 12 months? Demand it back from him at this point, anything else is you being suckeredWonderful and excellent response.
I hope you make right.
We all believe in you.
Usually a bad manager stays a bad manager. I understand a one person shop to keep the quality consistent. I agree with you about having an organized work ethic with proper professional support.He needs a business manager and an accountant. Also he should stop accepting any repairs until he completes his back log. No new cue building nothing until he clears up the mess his mismanagement has created…
JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH
The Searing......HOSTAGE CUES......Believe it or not.........but you should.
My intentions are not to bash or slander Mr Searing, but to just tell an honest event that I went through.
Also i am telling my hostage cue story in hopes of making myself feel better as I have held it in way to long. And is a really sad part of my life. and to inform others of what not to do. Maybe save someone the fiasco i went through. I will make this as short as possible and leave out names.
As a well seasoned player, I quite playing for ten years. I was ready to start playing again so i was on the hunt for a good custom quality investment grade playing cue. Narrowed my search Down to P Motty, R Hailey J Buss and D Searing. Yep, I chose Searing. (Big mistake) Its 2002. I order a 4 point hoppe player, was to be done in 6 or 7 months. And a fancy 4 pointer with inlays to be done in a couple years. Meantime, I bought 4 or 5 custom cues while waiting for the Searing cue. Not happy with any of the 5 i bought. Now it's 2005 im tired of waiting on the Searing cue and still looking for a good player. I found a cue I just had to have from one of the top 5 cuemakers or that era . It was on Billiard cue.Com, From Dick Abbott. The cue was like it was custom made just for me. Maxed my CC and bought it. The cue had a bad superficial flaw in the forearm.(at this time Dennis is still taking my PH calls) the defect is so bad I didn't want anyone to see it. So me being me, I wanted to protect the cuemakers reputation and have it repaired. I talked to this cue maker about the defect, to my surprise he didn't seem to care. He may have took it in for the repair but i thought i could get a faster turnaound sending it to Dennis. I talked to Dennis about making the repair, He said ship it and he would make the repair. I shipped the big dollar cue along with another cheaper custom cue to reset a loose butcap. And a Searing shaft he made me previously. It was too stiff so he was to lighten it up a bit.
After Searing received the cues and shaft, we talked a few times, maybe more, to go over the repairs to be made. So I waited. i don't remember how long. Then, however many months later with no rusults, Dennis just quit answering my calls for the next 18 years??? Living 1700 miles away from his shop, I planned 6 or 7 times to go get the cues but money would'nt allow me to make the trip. He travels a lot also so if I make it to his shop he may be out of town. It was a gamble not knowing if he was there or out of town. I had no contacts in his inner circle to give me that information. Maybe a wasted trip and money.
Now it's late 2022. I meat a guy, that knows a guy, that says he can get the cues from Dennis. The guy was going to charge me, I thought 1000 to1500 dollars for retrieving the hostage cues from Dennis. I'm good with the deal. The dude gets the 2 cues and one shaft shipped to him from Dennis in 8 or 9 days. sends me pictures and I verify they are my cues, minus the perfect Penn linebn wrap. Dennis must have needed it for a restore as i don't believe it had to come off for the repairs?? The dude tells me he will ship them to me after he receives 2000 dollars for his effert. I am shellshocked. I have to pay him. Not having enough funds, I borrowed the cash, mailed a cashiers check to him. 2 days later i receive what I call my hostage cues. One with the missing wrap.----‐17 years without the cue i loved. Thanks Dennis. this whole fiasko makes absolutely no commen sense.
Note...I really considered Dennis as a friend, spending very many hours on the phone with him during the first 3+ years of this nightmare.
I didn't want to write a book about my hostage cues, so I left a lot of information out during the 17 years i constantly tried diffent things to get the cues returned.
I am stll mystified as to why all this sh..t happend. But I do give Dennis credit for at least still having the 2 cues and one shaft for 17 years.
I have a lot of opinions and strong speculations as to whats going on with Searing, but I will keep those to myself.
If anyone has questions for me, please fire away, bash away or whatever. If I get bombarded with negitive feedback from Searing followers, or fellow AZers, I honestly don't give sh...t. there loss, or will be.
Rememer this:
Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
Inventory of loss......not having my cues in my posession for 17 years.
2000 dollars paid for retrieving my cue.
The loss of an unattainable Penn linen wrap.
300 for a new cortland wrap.
A lot of frustration and unable to ever get any real answers.
Or understanding of this kind of treatment.
Andy70 in my opinion. Dennis is not a crook, but the only way to retrieve your cue is to go to his shop yourself. I am sure the cue is still there. Good luck whatever you do.
I wish I was able to make the trip there myself.
Lucky rolls to you all. Danny
If I knew this I’d undercut at $1990First off who is the piece of shit charging $2000 to recover cues?
What a scam Dennis is allowing
I know, right? A guy could move to Florida and make a pretty good living just off that one shop.If I knew this I’d undercut at $1990
CueRecovery@illgetit.com. Low fees.I know, right? A guy could move to Florida and make a pretty good living just off that one shop.
I lost interest in owning a Searing cue years ago which I spoke about then. He’s just another cue maker on my zero interest list.Usually a bad manager stays a bad manager. I understand a one person shop to keep the quality consistent. I agree with you about having an organized work ethic with proper professional support.
Maybe merge with a big name company or association. Usually when things back up they stay backed up. Another hitch is poor communication on his end. Does not have the necessary skills. Disappointing customers takes fun out of owning a Searing or anything.
Gotta love quality people.So happy that there are many other great honest cue makers though.
I know a Joss owner. It’s a head turner. Searing is good for pride of ownership… no magic how it plays.Clearly...there's a market for Gucci-gear in just about every hobby/interest. Appreciation for exceptional work. Fans of intricate execution. Bragging rights. Whatever.
I've owned 3 Searing cues. One made for me, and 2 on secondary market. No question...the fit and finish on a Searing cue is amazing.
But a Joss cue with a GOOD factory shaft...or a Revo...plays every bit as good. And you can get THAT gear in 5 days or less.
Just sayin'
Cut the shit and send these peoples cues back to them. Whether you have touched them or not. No one wants another promise from you about what you are "going to do"Hello,
Since this is public, I would publicly like to apologize to anyone who is or has waited for me to finish their work. I'd also like to apologize to you for any lack of communication from me. For me it all gets a bit overwhelming sometimes, and hard specially when I don't feel I have exact answers. I've have had several big setbacks that have effected me due to health, and the passing of family and close friends where I had to be involved to help the family. Considering the amount of time for a few of you it's still not an excuse.
To clarify, I do this full time and it's rare I take even a full day off from working in the shop, my wife would unhappily verify this. It's never been due to not working. The problem is for some reason I've been unable to say no to fixing or maintaining local customers cues specially when so many of them have been a customer from day one and well over 30 years. Might mix in a little OCD too.
This isn't how I want anyone or me to feel, and it makes me really sad. Clearly it's time to get my work day under control. I'm very passionate and love building cues and I genuinely love the good people who are into all nice cues as well as the game itself. Many passionate people have been there for me like Will and many others over all the years and you aren't forgotten. Just please know I'm both honored and grateful to those who had, have, or want a cue I've made.
God willing I'll make a promise here, over the next 12 months to anyone I either have a cue needing work from, or have anything with me monetarily will be made whole. Welcome to check back on this then. Fortunately of the many customers, it's only a small percentage I've excepted deposits or any payment from.
Please don't respond to me here. I won't be back to look, and frankly embarrassed.
Time has gone by so quickly and other than getting work done for those waiting an apology is all I can give at this moment.
Thanks you,
Dennis
Now it's late 2022. I meat a guy, that knows a guy, that says he can get the cues from Dennis. The guy was going to charge me, I thought 1000 to1500 dollars for retrieving the hostage cues from Dennis. I'm good with the deal. The dude gets the 2 cues and one shaft shipped to him from Dennis in 8 or 9 days. sends me pictures and I verify they are my cues, minus the perfect Penn linebn wrap. Dennis must have needed it for a restore as i don't believe it had to come off for the repairs?? The dude tells me he will ship them to me after he receives 2000 dollars for his effert. I am shellshocked. I have to pay him. Not having enough funds, I borrowed the cash, mailed a cashiers check to him. 2 days later i receive what I call my hostage cues. One with the missing wrap.----‐17 years without the cue i loved. Thanks Dennis. this whole fiasko makes absolutely no commen sense.JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH
The Searing......HOSTAGE CUES......Believe it or not.........but you should.
My intentions are not to bash or slander Mr Searing, but to just tell an honest event that I went through.
Also i am telling my hostage cue story in hopes of making myself feel better as I have held it in way to long. And is a really sad part of my life. and to inform others of what not to do. Maybe save someone the fiasco i went through. I will make this as short as possible and leave out names.
As a well seasoned player, I quite playing for ten years. I was ready to start playing again so i was on the hunt for a good custom quality investment grade playing cue. Narrowed my search Down to P Motty, R Hailey J Buss and D Searing. Yep, I chose Searing. (Big mistake) Its 2002. I order a 4 point hoppe player, was to be done in 6 or 7 months. And a fancy 4 pointer with inlays to be done in a couple years. Meantime, I bought 4 or 5 custom cues while waiting for the Searing cue. Not happy with any of the 5 i bought. Now it's 2005 im tired of waiting on the Searing cue and still looking for a good player. I found a cue I just had to have from one of the top 5 cuemakers or that era . It was on Billiard cue.Com, From Dick Abbott. The cue was like it was custom made just for me. Maxed my CC and bought it. The cue had a bad superficial flaw in the forearm.(at this time Dennis is still taking my PH calls) the defect is so bad I didn't want anyone to see it. So me being me, I wanted to protect the cuemakers reputation and have it repaired. I talked to this cue maker about the defect, to my surprise he didn't seem to care. He may have took it in for the repair but i thought i could get a faster turnaound sending it to Dennis. I talked to Dennis about making the repair, He said ship it and he would make the repair. I shipped the big dollar cue along with another cheaper custom cue to reset a loose butcap. And a Searing shaft he made me previously. It was too stiff so he was to lighten it up a bit.
After Searing received the cues and shaft, we talked a few times, maybe more, to go over the repairs to be made. So I waited. i don't remember how long. Then, however many months later with no rusults, Dennis just quit answering my calls for the next 18 years??? Living 1700 miles away from his shop, I planned 6 or 7 times to go get the cues but money would'nt allow me to make the trip. He travels a lot also so if I make it to his shop he may be out of town. It was a gamble not knowing if he was there or out of town. I had no contacts in his inner circle to give me that information. Maybe a wasted trip and money.
Now it's late 2022. I meat a guy, that knows a guy, that says he can get the cues from Dennis. The guy was going to charge me, I thought 1000 to1500 dollars for retrieving the hostage cues from Dennis. I'm good with the deal. The dude gets the 2 cues and one shaft shipped to him from Dennis in 8 or 9 days. sends me pictures and I verify they are my cues, minus the perfect Penn linebn wrap. Dennis must have needed it for a restore as i don't believe it had to come off for the repairs?? The dude tells me he will ship them to me after he receives 2000 dollars for his effert. I am shellshocked. I have to pay him. Not having enough funds, I borrowed the cash, mailed a cashiers check to him. 2 days later i receive what I call my hostage cues. One with the missing wrap.----‐17 years without the cue i loved. Thanks Dennis. this whole fiasko makes absolutely no commen sense.
Note...I really considered Dennis as a friend, spending very many hours on the phone with him during the first 3+ years of this nightmare.
I didn't want to write a book about my hostage cues, so I left a lot of information out during the 17 years i constantly tried diffent things to get the cues returned.
I am stll mystified as to why all this sh..t happend. But I do give Dennis credit for at least still having the 2 cues and one shaft for 17 years.
I have a lot of opinions and strong speculations as to whats going on with Searing, but I will keep those to myself.
If anyone has questions for me, please fire away, bash away or whatever. If I get bombarded with negitive feedback from Searing followers, or fellow AZers, I honestly don't give sh...t. there loss, or will be.
Rememer this:
Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
Inventory of loss......not having my cues in my posession for 17 years.
2000 dollars paid for retrieving my cue.
The loss of an unattainable Penn linen wrap.
300 for a new cortland wrap.
A lot of frustration and unable to ever get any real answers.
Or understanding of this kind of treatment.
Andy70 in my opinion. Dennis is not a crook, but the only way to retrieve your cue is to go to his shop yourself. I am sure the cue is still there. Good luck whatever you do.
I wish I was able to make the trip there myself.
Lucky rolls to you all. Danny
On a positive note, even though Paul Dayton was friends with and connected to DS, he was an honest and reliable cue builder. I never heard anyone say a cross thing about Paul. I have one of his cues and love it. 60" with Super long points on this one. R.I.P. PaulThats what I could not figure out. He would not even turn the cue over to Paul Dayton (RIP)
I am not in the loop of the high dollar cue collectors/dealers, so I could not make contact with Dennis.
Thank you for reply.
Now it's late 2022. I meat a guy, that knows a guy, that says he can get the cues from Dennis. The guy was going to charge me, I thought 1000 to1500 dollars for retrieving the hostage cues from Dennis. I'm good with the deal. The dude gets the 2 cues and one shaft shipped to him from Dennis in 8 or 9 days. sends me pictures and I verify they are my cues, minus the perfect Penn linebn wrap. Dennis must have needed it for a restore as i don't believe it had to come off for the repairs?? The dude tells me he will ship them to me after he receives 2000 dollars for his effert. I am shellshocked. I have to pay him. Not having enough funds, I borrowed the cash, mailed a cashiers check to him. 2 days later i receive what I call my hostage cues. One with the missing wrap.----‐17 years without the cue i loved. Thanks Dennis. this whole fiasko makes absolutely no commen sense.
it's your business and yours only....(but you did indeed post it here.....)
has you use the post office to mail payment? that might be federal 18 USC 873 extortion
postal inspection service or fbi might be interested in that low hanging fruit of a case (if the evidence/corroboration is still available....)
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goes without saying --- (assuming your account of events is all completley on the level, credible, and accurate) --- should't hestitate to say who pulled this....
wow. crazy stuff
Now it's late 2022. I meat a guy, that knows a guy, that says he can get the cues from Dennis. The guy was going to charge me, I thought 1000 to1500 dollars for retrieving the hostage cues from Dennis. I'm good with the deal. The dude gets the 2 cues and one shaft shipped to him from Dennis in 8 or 9 days. sends me pictures and I verify they are my cues, minus the perfect Penn linebn wrap. Dennis must have needed it for a restore as i don't believe it had to come off for the repairs?? The dude tells me he will ship them to me after he receives 2000 dollars for his effert. I am shellshocked. I have to pay him. Not having enough funds, I borrowed the cash, mailed a cashiers check to him. 2 days later i receive what I call my hostage cues. One with the missing wrap.----‐17 years without the cue i loved. Thanks Dennis. this whole fiasko makes absolutely no commen sense.
it's your business and yours only....(but you did indeed post it here.....)
has you use the post office to mail payment? that might be federal 18 USC 873 extortion
postal inspection service or fbi might be interested in that low hanging fruit of a case (if the evidence/corroboration is still available....)
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goes without saying --- (assuming your account of events is all completley on the level, credible, and accurate) --- should't hestitate to say who pulled this....
wow. crazy stuff.
Yeah it was my business but after reading the OP Andy70, s story I changed my mind to go ahead and post my story to make it everybody's buisseness. Maybe i can save someone the same shit I went through.Now it's late 2022. I meat a guy, that knows a guy, that says he can get the cues from Dennis. The guy was going to charge me, I thought 1000 to1500 dollars for retrieving the hostage cues from Dennis. I'm good with the deal. The dude gets the 2 cues and one shaft shipped to him from Dennis in 8 or 9 days. sends me pictures and I verify they are my cues, minus the perfect Penn linebn wrap. Dennis must have needed it for a restore as i don't believe it had to come off for the repairs?? The dude tells me he will ship them to me after he receives 2000 dollars for his effert. I am shellshocked. I have to pay him. Not having enough funds, I borrowed the cash, mailed a cashiers check to him. 2 days later i receive what I call my hostage cues. One with the missing wrap.----‐17 years without the cue i loved. Thanks Dennis. this whole fiasko makes absolutely no commen sense.
it's your business and yours only....(but you did indeed post it here.....)
has you use the post office to mail payment? that might be federal 18 USC 873 extortion
postal inspection service or fbi might be interested in that low hanging fruit of a case (if the evidence/corroboration is still available....)
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goes without saying --- (assuming your account of events is all completley on the level, credible, and accurate) --- should't hestitate to say who pulled
Yeah it was my business but after reading the OP Andy70, s story I changed my mind to go ahead and post my story to make it everybody's buisseness. Maybe i can save someone the same shit I went through.
Dennis has a following, and I did not want to here all there drama bashing coments.
I put off writing it for 8+ years as several friends said not to post it because I would be bashed, called a liar and whatever.
Now I don't care.
As far as my story being accurate: it is. I have nothing to gain. I am not trying to recoupe anything other than the satisfaction of letting people know how to retrieve there cue they can't get back. And maybe someone will have second thoughts before shipping a cue to the searing shop.
I have said, I am not out to start more trouble for anyone. So I am still withholding the names of the two guys that got the cue from Dennis.
I haven't revealed the name of the cuemaker (1 of 5 top name cue markers in the world) that has a defect you could see from 3 feet away.
When I called him he tried to justify the defect and said, does it effect the way it plays, I said no, he says, what's the problem??
I ended the phone call.
Not one comment about that on the forum but that is the reason for sending the cue to Dennis.
I would love to reveal all three names, but my intentions are to not hurt anyone.