Searing on ebay

[ridewiththewind]

I do not get it.....I have NEVER had a problem with Dennis responding...and in a timely fashion, I might add...to any email or PM I have ever sent him. I would never attempt to phone him, unless at his request, because that has just got to be THE worst distraction I can think of while trying to concentrate.

Of course, I am far enough down his list, that I have no reason to pester him.

Lisa

 

[badabing]

The cue was well worth the price! I have said it before, supply and demand dictate price. Factor in the workmanship and the way Searing cues play and you have a bargain. It is evident that some of the posters here have not been fortunate enough to own and play with a Searing cue, and their opinions are not based on experience.
Dave

 

[skins]

Dennis jacks his prices? Letsroll, you are one misinformed person . Dennis is the most underpriced cue maker on earth, thank you very much. I have asked him on several occasions to raise his prices, I don't see why all the money should be made outside of his workshop.

Please people, lets be clear about this.....Dennis has already cemented his place in history with the few cues he has made to date.

I will sit here and argue the point all day, Dennis makes the best work and he should charge more. Also, can anyone imagine how many calls he gets a day?

As far as paying $1500 for a conversion, I would have bought it if I had seen it. Some people here quite clearly haven't had a Searing in their hands.

100% truth! agreed. don't bother wasting your time arguing though. you can't tell anything to someone that thinks they know it all.

 

[TheMarsMan]

THATS WHY YOUR ALWAYS BROKE

Thank you for so eloquently proving that my quote was appropriate!

If you could relate your information to the IRS I would appreciate it, I have a large payment to make in April.

 

[letsroll]

I'll tell you what is ridiculous, is someone like yourself making statements with little or no knowledge of what you are talking about.

I have a Kersenbrock that was made with a titlest blank, I also own a Balabushka that was also made with a titlest blank. These two cues shouldn't be called custom cues?

As far as anyone knows Balabushka never made his own blanks so he isn't a custom cue maker? He just took someone elses points, slapped on a joint and a butt cap, made a shaft and actually called them custom cues!

Searing has made a lot more entire cues than conversions. If I had my choice I would rather own a cue that was made entirely by him, but if this cue was it would be worth much more than $1,500.

Every cue maker that I know of has done some conversions, I have a Gilbert that has Szamboti points, and have been offered 5K for the cue.

I am in the market for a Balabushka using Szamboti points if anyone know of one by the way!

I don't know what cue you play with, but I would hazzard a guess that it won't increase in value as much as a Searing.

If playability is your only concern a one piece cue hits about as good as anything. Put a proper tapper and a good tip on a house cue and it will play great for about $50.

I'll tell you what .. I have a Volkswagon that I just installed a Mercedes emblem on.. Oh WOW .. I now have a Mercedes.. anyone interested in my Mercedes.. After all it says Mercedes on it .. That's all that matters isn't it. It now has resale value .. regardless.
This is your argument?
Lets see.. if I put some BIG tires on it.. Oh WOW . I now have a race car.
Man .. I never knew how easy it would be to build a race car. Now if I just stop answering the phone.. I can become a legendary car builder and people will kiss my butt in order to get one..because if they are hard to get .. they must be great. Hmmmm. If i don't answer emails either then I must be great. A legend in my own mind. who would have thought ..I could become a legend in such a short time.

 

[Stixnballs]

So if I understand you correctly you are saying Dennis "Jacks" up his prices on his cues, please give me one example if you know that to be true.

As far as answering the phone he receives hundreds of calls per week and an unbelievable amount of emails every day and time dictates how many he can answer and respond to. I know Dennis appreciates all the calls and emails he receives.

As far as "cue making legend" Dennis seems to be very popular and many say they really love his workmanship and how his cues perform and because of that he has many orders.

The thing I find most disturbing is how you and a few others like you attack someone that has not said anything negative or doing anything wrong to you or anyone here.

The market place dictates what a cue will sell for. If I choose to spend
$ 2,000.00 on a house cue conversion or $ 20,000.00 on a highend ..well that's up to me and you what we will spend or not spend on a cue.

The bottom line is Dennis loves building cues and has been doing it for over 17 years and many love his work and as a result he receives many,many orders.

The unfortunate thing about AZ Billiards forum is the amount of nasty and negative posts, I mean I don't get it, most of us love pool and love cues and love talking about them. I think we could do without the attacks on fellow AZr's. It just ain't cool.

One can voice their opinion about a cue or product without attacking the cue makers or producers character or integrity.

It never hurts to be polite and show a little kindness towards others.

Scott, Well said. btw it was great to see at dennis's yesterday. hope to see you in Valley Forge if i get the time.

as far as dennis's "conversion cues" - I own two of them and would not trade them for any amount of money - because i sinply could not get a cue that hits as good as these do, IMO.

I have been in Searing's shop for the last 10+ years and if he stopped to answer the phone everytime it rings he would be an answering service instead of a cue maker. He is one man who produces one hell of a cue and the proof if that is the demand by everyone who always wanting to buy them.

I also have to agree with SI, that Dennis has never inflated his prices. IMO he sells them too cheap. You show me another cue that you can get new and sell the next day for 100% profit.

Dennis - keep up the good work. FWIW I used to play golf every sunday for years with this man and I am still waiting 4+ years for my cue that i designed and do you see me yelling. If you want quality, sometime you have to wait.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Guys, does anyone really want me in here asking that you behave?

Come on, act with a little more respect towards each other before I have to get involved.



Dave

 

[ChrisOnline]

i was surprised to see at Valley Forge two years or so ago.. while talking to Dennis, that his basic 4 point veneered cue with ivory hope ring is about 1800.. i thought for sure his price would have been atleast 3k.. but thats when i realized its not dennis charging the high dollars, its the supply and demand of the secondary market. i have had a chance to hit balls with many dennis searing cues, although i am not fortunate to own one, they all play amazing.. and i can say that Simons searing was one of the best cues i had a chance to hit some balls with.. i understand what people are saying about the value of the conversion cue, but if it does play like it should, the price is justified.. although, to me, i would rather and feel better about spending 3 to 4k on a basic veenered cue, just because its what i like..

if you dont like it and think its too much.. nobody is making anybody buy anything..

and yes.. i agree.. dennis is a very hard person to get ahold of.. but between, making cues, playing pool and his personal life.. somethings have just got to give.. i would rather him not answer my call , then like my experience with mike lambro's.. the guy talked down to me big time and was very rude wich made me feel small just for asking a simple question about his dragon cue.. i would love one day to own a lambro's, but i would never ever buy it direct from him, he doesnt diserve my buisness.. he was a simple jerk.. and talking to Dennis in person, he seems more down to earth then alot of non cue makers that i know..

chris

 

[SCCues]

The cue was well worth the price! I have said it before, supply and demand dictate price. Factor in the workmanship and the way Searing cues play and you have a bargain. It is evident that some of the posters here have not been fortunate enough to own and play with a Searing cue, and their opinions are not based on experience.
Dave

If this cue was built by Dennis Searing I would say it was a steal. Surely all of you experts know what a sneaky pete cue is. A wall stick cut in half, a joint pin installed, and a descent shaft added to make the cue play right and attached so it looks like it is part of the original cue.....we all know this and i'm not implying that the people on this thread don't know this. I'm explaining this to make a point.

The cue that was sold on ebay was a house cue. Instead of Joe Blow cue maker cutting it in half Dennis Searing cut it in half. Dennis added a set of joint trim rings and a trim ring set at the butt with an "S" on one of the rings and a descent shaft. You don't have to be a top cue maker to start with a house cue and put this cue together, but because Dennis cut this house cue in half instead of a lesser known cue maker suddenly it's worth $1500. I'm a fan of Searing cues and I think they are great and I wish I owned one of his cues, but in this particular situation I don't think a house cue is worth $1500.

 

[skins]

If this cue was built by Dennis Searing I would say it was a steal. Surely all of you experts know what a sneaky pete cue is. A wall stick cut in half, a joint pin installed, and a descent shaft added to make the cue play right and attached so it looks like it is part of the original cue.....we all know this and i'm not implying that the people on this thread don't know this. I'm explaining this to make a point.

The cue that was sold on ebay was a house cue. Instead of Joe Blow cue maker cutting it in half Dennis Searing cut it in half. Dennis added a set of joint trim rings and a trim ring set at the butt with an "S" on one of the rings and a descent shaft. You don't have to be a top cue maker to start with a house cue and put this cue together, but because Dennis cut this house cue in half instead of a lesser known cue maker suddenly it's worth $1500. I'm a fan of Searing cues and I think they are great and I wish I owned one of his cues, but in this particular situation I don't think a house cue is worth $1500.

that's funny, (paraphrased) all he did was ....... cut it in half and added a set of joint trim rings and a trim ring set at the butt with an "S" on one of the rings and a descent shaft..... come on, gimme a break..... are you a cue maker? do you even know what's involved in doing this work? do you know all of Dennis's techniques? when is the last time you talked to Dennis about this cue? how many of his cues have you owned and played with? you may think this "house cue" isn't worth $1500 it and that's your opinion but the fact remains that it sold for that which means it's worth it.

Don't Cue Hate ....Participate......

 

[cashin]

that's funny, (paraphrased) all he did was ....... cut it in half and added a set of joint trim rings and a trim ring set at the butt with an "S" on one of the rings and a descent shaft..... come on, gimme a break..... are you a cue maker? do you even know what's involved in doing this work? do you know all of Dennis's techniques? when is the last time you talked to Dennis about this cue? how many of his cues have you owned and played with? you may think this "house cue" isn't worth $1500 it and that's your opinion but the fact remains that it sold for that which means it's worth it.

Don't Cue Hate ....Participate......

In all due respect.. I know James (SCCues) and he is a cue builder. I own one of his cues and it is awesome.
He was only voicing his opinion in what I call an appropriate manner and with tact.
After all, that is what this forum is about is isn't it.
Or is it just for people that agree with each other. Please don't hate.... Participate.

 

[HIRUN526]

SC Cues Question

To SC CUES: From my Post # 37.

Hello, I am not familiar with you or your cues, it appears that you maybe a cue maker or dealer and if that is true and you built or offered a "house cue" conversion for sale and I offered you $ 1,500.00 would you take it?

What if you saw a SC conversion cue for sale on Ebay and you saw the price was $1,500.00, would you (SC Cues) send the seller an email saying that the SC Cue you have for sale is not worth $1,500.00, that it is not up to the buyer to decide on what he is willing to spend on your cue on the open market?

If it has an "S" or "SC Cues" logo or whatever logo, buyers decide what a cue will go for. And if I were you and if you are a cue maker I would be real happy people appreciated and loved my cues and were willing to pay a handsome price to own one.

I am not trying to give you a hard time, I am just trying to understand your stance on what a cue is or is not worth. Thanks.

 

[Deadon]

We all know he can't hold a candle to John Showman's work!

I beg your pardon. I have, actually just traded, a top of the line Showman and shoot daily with a 4 recut point Searing. Frankly, Showman's work on this cue, wasn't even close to Searings. Questionable quality, but again the demand made it quite valuable. Go figure.

Mike

 

[skins]

In all due respect.. I know James (SCCues) and he is a cue builder. I own one of his cues and it is awesome.
He was only voicing his opinion in what I call an appropriate manner and with tact.
After all, that is what this forum about is isn't it.
Or is it just for people that agree with each other. Please don't hate.... Participate.

and i'm voicing mine out of my experience of 15 years in the cue industry and 20 as a collector and a player. the facts are what they are, why question them. it's not like Dennis is the "new kid on the block". he earned his respect and deserves all the accolades he's receiving because of it. any who question it, that's fine too, they don't have to be involved in the quest for one of his pieces. ya' know i actually love threads like this because it reminds me that not everyone understands a particular makers market. it leaves less competition when a piece becomes available. which in Dennis's case is very rare.

 

[skins]

I beg your pardon. I have, actually just traded, a top of the line Showman and shoot daily with a 4 recut point Searing. Frankly, Showman's work on this cue, wasn't even close to Searings. Questionable quality, but again the demand made it quite valuable. Go figure.

Mike

just curios, what was the "Questionable quality" with the Showman?

 

[SCCues]

To SC CUES: From my Post # 37.

I am not trying to give you a hard time, I am just trying to understand your stance on what a cue is or is not worth. Thanks.

A cue is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, period. Everyone may not agree that the cue in question is worth that amount, but to the buyer it was worth that much. In the case of this Searing house cue there appears to be more than one buyer who thinks that it was worth $1500 and that's fine because it's their money. I just don't happen to be one of the one's who thinks a house cue is worth $1500 and I don't care who turned it into a conversion or whatever name you chose to put on it. This is just my opinion and of course you have your opinion and we don't agree.

 

[axlrose]

market value

I have read this entire thread and, I have to say, I am surprised at how long it has continued. I had a look at the cue in question and have come to the following conclusion:

This is nothing more than an illustration of what the cue market will bear for a particular item. Everyone has their opinions on the value, however you choose to define it, of certain items. In this case, at least one person pegged the value of this cue at 1500.00. Personally, I was a bit surprised, but good for them, whomever ending up getting the cue, if that is what they thought it was worth. I have met those who think I am somewhat disabled for spending what I have on my cues. In my opinion, they are well worth it. Who am I to tell anyone what something is worth when it is their hard-earned money they are spending?

Rather than personalizing so many issues, I think it would benefit everyone to simply state, if necesary, their feelings on a particular subject and respect those of other's, in agreement or not.

But what do I know? My avatar is an over-the-hill rock star.

Ryan

 

[Hidy Ho]

...

But what do I know? My avatar is an over-the-hill rock star.

Ryan

Jeez ... I know I'm getting old when he's considered over the hill rock star. I remember when he and the bands were just a fresh and new in the scene.

Times ... they are changing ...

 

[axlrose]

Jeez ... I know I'm getting old when he's considered over the hill rock star. I remember when he and the bands were just a fresh and new in the scene.

Times ... they are changing ...

He's still the man, in my opinion. I remember watching concert footage in late 1985 and have been a huge fan ever since. I just know he isn't what he once was as an entertainer.

Ryan

 

[1pRoscoe]

He's still the man, in my opinion. I remember watching concert footage in late 1985 and have been a huge fan ever since. I just know he isn't what he once was as an entertainer.

Ryan

in that case, I'll trade you this for your Gina, Ryan... ugly foot not included