What you have described here is not the primary emotion surrounding racking and breaking.
Seriously..that non-rack rack?
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What you have described here is not the primary emotion surrounding racking and breaking.
Fixed it for you.....
All anyone can ask for is a fair chance to be rewarded when they execute...
The flip side is they are willing to accept punishment when they execute poorly...
If they want anything else I would say they are working an angle....
I respectfully disagree. I just don't think you understand the mindset of the player.
In my opinion, racking your own is the way to go. That way, any variables ( such as gaps, off angle slightly, or inconsistency ) is all up to the player breaking. One thing I can't stand is when I'm playing and the opposing player gives me a crap rack because he's losing.
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IF the balls are the same size, the balls will rack just fine.
I understand these are NOT the balls that Accu-Stats wanted to use. They were supposed to get super pro quality balls- red and yellow.
That did not happen.
These balls are a lower quality ball and are several years old.
I don't think the rack is the problem. The players have gotten very critical over the last few years and any deviation (from near perfection) can cause some problems with the rack.
Players cannot expect to make balls on every break- and should not blame the rack when things not go perfectly for them.
To show full disclosure, I am affiliated with the Magic Ball Rack. But I am involved because it works very well.
We use it in all the CSI events and have minimal problems. It is FAR better than fighting a normal rack and all the player frustrations.
Mark griffin
IF the balls are the same size, the balls will rack just fine.
I understand these are NOT the balls that Accu-Stats wanted to use. They were supposed to get super pro quality balls- red and yellow.
That did not happen.
These balls are a lower quality ball and are several years old.
I don't think the rack is the problem. The players have gotten very critical over the last few years and any deviation (from near perfection) can cause some problems with the rack.
Players cannot expect to make balls on every break- and should not blame the rack when things not go perfectly for them.
To show full disclosure, I am affiliated with the Magic Ball Rack. But I am involved because it works very well.
We use it in all the CSI events and have minimal problems. It is FAR better than fighting a normal rack and all the player frustrations.
Mark griffin
You are exactly right. The rack is not the problem.
When a player does not make a ball on the break, he is frustrated/upset/angry, because he believes with all his heart that either 1) he got screwed or 2) he got unlucky. Well, the player is right and is rightly entitled to his feelings. You can explain and reason with the players until your blue in the face. It won't matter. They know.
A gadget will never fix the problem (it will improve it). Only a rule change fixes everything. Once you say "Shoot what you break", in short order, players of all abilities will embrace it and love you for it. (I do know this). All the stressing over the racking and breaking process disappears.
Keep it simple. It's a simple fix. Pool needs to be fun.
Players will be rewarded for a good break and conversely punished for a bad break. Players understand that and will readily accept it.
I want to add that under current rules, many times players are rewarded for a bad break and punished for a good break because of the ball on the break debacle. This just makes the players nuts. I don't blame them.
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Thanks for sharing. It helps me understand the product better.
Loren
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Mark this actually makes the most sense.... The Casino set is a premier set not a super pro set... That means they are not the same quality as what we are used to in the pro tournaments... Add to that the fact that they were an older set and almost any rack will have definite trouble....
The balls Aramith/Saluc was making were to be a set of red and yellow super pros WITH numbers... Having THAT ball set would likely have eliminated both the racking issues and the issues the commentators had at the beginning of the tournament......
Tell Sunny I am sorry I didn't get to meet her yet again and I hope to see you both at the Open..
Chris Renfro
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The MBR doesn't create a wired ball out of thin air. All it does is freeze the balls.
There is no special material that makes one frozen rack send balls into the holes, but another frozen rack send balls into the rails. Frozen is frozen. It's that simple. The balls barely even touch the material anyway, they're sitting in holes.
When the balls are all touching, certain shots (like the 9 ball wing ball) are very very easy. That's not the MBR's fault. Blame the guy who invented that diamond shaped rack, whoever he was. That wing ball was flying into corner pockets for years before the MBR even existed. It flew in with the Sardo. It flies in with the delta 13 too.
Those easy wing balls will fly in using ANY rack, even a basic plastic one, IF you take the time to make sure every ball is 100% frozen.
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I'm not knocking your rack, I haven't tried it yet. But I'll say this... however your rack works... if I am not easily making the wing ball, it means your rack is failing to freeze the balls, and I'll be glad to point to the gaps if you don't see them.
I don't think badmouthing magic racks is going to be a very effective marketing tactic for you, especially if you make up crap about them wiring balls balls that normally shouldn't go. Those balls always have been wired, on a perfect rack. The MBR just gets you there fast.
I have been working on these for going on 2 years and I do not intend on marketing my product on the tactic of bad mouthing the MBR... I intend to market it based on overall performance and education... I am simply trying to have a solution that even the professionals feel is a fair shake...
Since this is neither the time or the place for me to start educating I think I will simply instruct you to go review Joe Tuckers info and rethink the idea that the wing is dead in every frozen rack....
Videos will be up in the coming weeks... I never said you were not able to make the wing ball.. I said you had to hit the break correctly to make it.... Hit, Speed, and Spin all have an effect on the rack when it is broken... If you make a mistake you should be punished.. IF you hit it right you should be rewarded...
That is what an accurate rack should be as far as I am concerned......
Players don't care at all about a fair shake. They want to shoot after the break. It is not complicated. You and everyone else are reading way too much into all of this.
As it stands now, if a player does not get to shoot after the break, he got unlucky and got screwed. He is frustrated and angry and rightfully so. Fix it and let him shoot. The ball on the break is garbage anyway. It is not worth all the trouble.
A gadget is not needed to get the job done.
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Maybe you and I have different definitions of frozen? I've watched that video a bunch of times. Right off the bat, he talks extensively about how to deal with non-frozen racks, and how to read gaps.
But I'm hoping your rack is a good product that won't require any of that.
If it does its job, I break from the side and the wing ball is deader than fried chicken.
You might feel that on a dead frozen rack, this shouldn't happen, but physics-wise it makes perfect sense. By breaking from the side (or cutting the one from the box), that ball behind the wing ball gets moving out first... then the wing ball kisses off it and in the hole.
It's fair to say this is almost TOO easy on a frozen rack, and it takes more skill to read those gaps. But if anyone enjoys the added challenge of gaps, they can just use a plain wooden triangle... they don't need to buy a new product.
This is what makes the players nuts.
Player A smashes the balls. He spreads the balls perfectly. He parks the cue ball smack in the center of the table. He controls the 1-ball and has a shot at it in the side-pocket. He has got an easy run-out. Player A happened not to make a ball-on-the-break so Player B gets the easy run-out.
Next up, Player B breaks the balls. He fails to control the cue-ball or the 1-ball. The cue ball drifts to the foot-rail and the 1-ball winds up on the head-rail. Player B happens to not make a ball on the break. It's player A's shot and he is screwed again.
This is what all the conflict is about. No gadget is going to fix this.
(for Eight, NIne, and Ten-Ball)
Player A smashes the balls. He spreads the balls perfectly. He parks the cue ball smack in the center of the table. He controls the 1-ball and has a shot at it in the side-pocket. He has got an easy run-out. Player A happened not to make a ball-on-the-break so Player B gets the easy run-out.
Next up, Player B breaks the balls. He fails to control the cue-ball or the 1-ball. The cue ball drifts to the foot-rail and the 1-ball winds up on the head-rail. Player B happens to not make a ball on the break. It's player A's shot and he is screwed again.
This is what all the conflict is about. No gadget is going to fix this.
(for Eight, NIne, and Ten-Ball)
Any merit in this...At the accu-stats tourney there was a 25 or 30 sec. shot clock. Good. Now how about 'rack your own' AND a 'rack clock' of 20 sec.? 8 ball racking using the Magic rack takes way too long...I had to get up and go find something to do for 2 minutes. I noticed the expression of one player who I swear was thinking the same thing.
There's actually a trick that solves this. A buddy of mine came up with it and now we all use it.
You lay the magic rack in the correct position.
Gather the balls at the foot rail. Get out your wooden (or plastic triangle) and drop it over them.
Now just grip the triangle, lift it a half inch off the table*, and use it to roll all the balls forward into the rack area. You can use the triangle to guide all the balls into the MBR's holes.
With practice you can get every ball to settle into a frozen position on your first pass. I find it's easiest to roll forward past the holes, then slowly pull them back until they start dropping in place.
Now just lift the rack and you're done. All 15 balls racked at once instead of one at a time.
* If you don't lift it off the table, it scrapes the magic rack and drags it along with the balls. And this won't work for racking 9 or 10 ball. If you find the weight of the balls shoves the magic rack forward a hair, just start off a fraction of an inch low.
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hi - 02-28-2010, 01:53 PM
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ive been saying this for 10 years. this is exactly how the games should be played in my opinion . nuff said
A post from the past on the No Conflict Rules.....he is not the only great player who gets it.
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hi - 02-28-2010, 01:53 PM
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ive been saying this for 10 years. this is exactly how the games should be played in my opinion . nuff said
A post from the past on the No Conflict Rules.....he is not the only great player who gets it.
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