Shaft Inserts. Longevity?

slyfox

slyfox

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My bar-beater cue is a Fury sneaky. Plays jam up with a good tip.

It does have a radial pin and fury is using a black shaft insert.
Creates a real snug fit and stays tight.
Great feel overall also.

I know Huebler and other cue-makers have used them.
Just didn't know about the longevity of inserts?
I thought about having the cue converted over with rings and a handle but wanted to check about the inserts before I add money to the cue.


Thanks for any advice, expertise, or just plain ranting. :rolleyes:

Fox.
 
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It is most likely a plastic,similar to cuetec.if you are looking at adding rings,the shaft insert could easily be changed to phenolic.
 
treed said:
It is most likely a plastic,similar to cuetec.if you are looking at adding rings,the shaft insert could easily be changed to phenolic.
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I agree with Treed. If you are going to spend the money on it I would also have it changed to phenolic. The plastic that cuetec uses is not as strong as phenolic. I know this because 2 weeks ago I had to replace the insert in a cuetec because the customer thought he would try screwing the shaft onto another tpi butt. I'm not saying that it would have been fine for him to do this with phenolic but it's my choice of material as any thermoplast is going to move with extreme temp. changes.

Thanks,
 
The first two responders are overlooking the fact that the insert you have, may already be phenolic.
You don't say because you probably don't know and they are guessing.
Almost no one today using a 'plastic' insert uses anything other than phenolic, besides maybe CueTec.
Even on the Predator shafts that I build for CueTecs, I build with a phenolic insert.

To your original question, the first determination is to confirm whether your insert is
in fact phenolic or ABS. Is it hard or soft?
If it's phenolic, it will last longer than you will.
If the insert is soft, meaning ABS, converting to phenolic will be the least expense
of the work you're considering.

KJ
 
treed said:
It is most likely a plastic,similar to cuetec.if you are looking at adding rings,the shaft insert could easily be changed to phenolic.
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Hi,

I believe Huebler used a nylon insert. At least I know he did on the SPs.

Rick
 
The shaft inserts in Huebler cues are pretty easy to cross-thread. One of my first cues was a Huebler and, because of that, I always back-thread the cue (turn the handle counter-clockwise until the thread drops into the groove) before I put it together out of habit!
 
Quote:I believe Huebler used a nylon insert. At least I know he did on the SPs.

I have an old Huebler that I yse as my beater and it is nylon as much a I use it you'ld figure it too would wear but it's tight. FWIT

Jim
 
Yes, Huebler is noted for using a nylon insert.
Wait until you have to replace one because it was cross-threaded.
However, the OP did state his concern regarding a Fury cue.
Let's not assume they are the same.

KJ
 
Thanks guys. Yes it is actually phenolic. Which I keep hearing is a good standing point.

With that said, I've heard that they should hold up. I just always wondered if the insert had tendencies to come loose from the shaft over time? If not, I guess I would assume it's a pretty solid cue.

One other question on top. Given that there is an insert in there, is the shaft base too thin to attach a collar? Thought about having one put on, primarily looks. Haven't gotten a measurement but I know the "nicer" fury's have inserts and collars.

Thanks everyone :thumbup:
 
You should never have to worry about that Fury insert as the Fury Cues now come with a lifetime Warranty. I would think that the insert would be covered if it fails.
 
Thanks Dave. I know with as many cues as you work on on a daily basis that means something. Also with the warranty that's great.
 
slyfox said:
My bar-beater cue is a Fury sneaky. Plays jam up with a good tip.

It does have a radial pin and fury is using a black shaft insert.
Creates a real snug fit and stays tight.
Great feel overall also.

I know Huebler and other cue-makers have used them.
Just didn't know about the longevity of inserts?
I thought about having the cue converted over with rings and a handle but wanted to check about the inserts before I add money to the cue.


Thanks for any advice, expertise, or just plain ranting. :rolleyes:

Fox.
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I use Phenolic inserts in the shafts of all the cues I build I think they will last for many many years. However, I don't like inserts made from softer materials such as Delrin, Nylon or other plastics they seem to more susceptible to cross threading.
 
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