Shane Van Boening Stroke from Svb/Scooter video - In Slow-Mo

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A few people have PM'ed me saying they would like to see his stroke slowed down, so they can better understand it. Myself included, would like to see this, as I like his stroke.

I whipped this together before I had to go to work, so this is just a raw video. At the beginning, there is 2 shots that are broken down as follows.

Shot 1 - A: Original distance, original speed
B: Close up, original speed
C: Original distance, slow motion
D: Close up, slow motion

Shot 2 - Same as above

Shot 3 and 4 - A: Original distance, original speed
B: Close up, original speed
C: Close up , slow motion

Then there's about 4 or 5 more shots at original distance, orginal speed, because I didn't have time to edit those.

Hope that helps !!! Be sure to click on the Full Screen icon of the video.

http://www.vimeo.com/20062341
 
Good stuff there Greg.. Thanks for taking the time to do that for the mere mortals.
 
I haven't watched the video yet, but I've been studying his back arm for a while now... and it seems he starts out with the elbow tucked against his body, then in his last backswing, he pushes it out just in-line with the cue and swings forward in that pendulum motion. His stroke, to me, is a 3 part stroke. the backswing, pause/push, forward and through (maybe that's 4, if you count the finish part). it's so fluid though, took me a while to pick up on the nuances. curious to see what else is going on after i watch the videos.

it's easier to see on big stroke shots, or at least, medium powered shots.
 
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stljohnny said:
I haven't watched the video yet, but I've been studying his back arm for a while now... and it seems he starts out with the elbow tucked against his body, then in his last backswing, he pushes it out just in-line with the cue and swings forward in that pendulum motion. His stroke, to me, is a 3 part stroke. the backswing, pause/push, forward and through (maybe that's 4, if you count the finish part). it's so fluid though, took me a while to pick up on the nuances. curious to see what else is going on after i watch the videos.
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You're right after the last pause when he pulls back he slightly cocks his arm out then follows through to hit the shot.
 
One thing- he doesnt appear to have a very "loose grip" which so many insist is necessary.
 
dave...To me, it looks like Shane has a very loose grip. His knuckles are completely tilted up at the end of his stroke. This would indicate a loose grip. I never "insist" that a loose grip is mandatory (there are many ways to get the job done). That said, a loose grip facilitates letting the cuestick and timing create the stroke speed, as opposed to a muscled swing. That is primarily why we instructors suggest a loose grip on the cue.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Nostroke said:
One thing- he doesnt appear to have a very "loose grip" which so many insist is necessary.
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Scott Lee said:
dave...To me, it looks like Shane has a very loose grip. His knuckles are completely tilted up at the end of his stroke. This would indicate a loose grip. I never "insist" that a loose grip is mandatory (there are many ways to get the job done). That said, a loose grip facilitates letting the cuestick and timing create the stroke speed, as opposed to a muscled swing. That is primarily why we instructors suggest a loose grip on the cue.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I could be wrong Scott but look at the forearm muscle-It looks tensed the whole time.

PS-Byrne didnt think loose was required either.
 
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Seems to me the grip must have some looseness to it, the way his hand "rocks" along the grip...I've seen good snooker players do the same, since it seems to be an aid to keeping the stick level.

Of course, I could be wrong...I often am. I'm also easily confused.
 
Nostroke said:
One thing- he doesnt appear to have a very "loose grip" which so many insist is necessary.
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I noticed that also. Shane has a firm looking grip and that's the way I hold my cue. I just wish I could pocket balls half as well as Shane. He is amazing.......

James
 
his grip...

It appeared to me that both sides are right. He seems to have a relatively firm grip with the first two fingers and the thumb (although it's hard to see what the thumb is doing) and a loose grip with the back two fingers and he tends to rock the wrist to keep the cue level.

His pinky also appears to sometimes float backwards on the back stroke.

Jaden
 
I like his set-up off the rail. When the cue ball is close to or frozen on the rail it helps to slightly move your back hand ahead of perpendicular, Shane does this. It will cause your elbow to drop slightly after contact but that's just Mechanics.

Grip looks just fine to me. Knuckles pointed up...ok. Hard to tell unless I was his cue.....:-)

Great videos.....thanks
randyg
 
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stljohnny said:
I haven't watched the video yet, but I've been studying his back arm for a while now... and it seems he starts out with the elbow tucked against his body, then in his last backswing, he pushes it out just in-line with the cue and swings forward in that pendulum motion. His stroke, to me, is a 3 part stroke. the backswing, pause/push, forward and through (maybe that's 4, if you count the finish part). it's so fluid though, took me a while to pick up on the nuances. curious to see what else is going on after i watch the videos.

it's easier to see on big stroke shots, or at least, medium powered shots.
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It happens on his final stroke because it's longer than the practice strokes.
 
My main issue with pool, and has been for the last 25 some years, is that I am constantly searching for the right grip and the right stroke. I got issues with my stance and that will never be "right", but I can never find the right grip and stroke for me. So I continually watch the pros and find one that I like and I'm always trying different one.

I will always wonder how good/consistant I could play, if I would have settled on one 25 years ago and played with it every hour I have invested. Instead, I'm really still at square one, because I'm still searching.

Tonight I went with the SVB stroke. I really liked it. I had some great control of the cueball. I just need to figure out some more about it. I need to understand more about his grip and what's happening with his fingers at the point of impact or right before it or right after it. There is a point where he is "locking" everything to finish with. This is the key, I feel. That is where the pinpoint control and feel is coming from.

I will update if there is any major revelations:D I will also do some more editing of the video to come up with some more shots that show more of what's going on.:)
 
Id go as far to say any instructor will tell you not to copy someone elses stroke. What works for one wont work for another.

One of the best strokes there has been??
 
Wow...Three things I noticed........Huge elbow drop, he's white knuckling it and he really uses a Cuetec cue :grin-square:
 
SVB's stroke is money. Thanks for this very useful video. I would find it interesting if you had any other player's you filmed at the Derby where you could break out there stroke(s) in similar fashion.
 
why bother

this thread is gonna mess up a lotta folk's pool games....lol!:p

if you asked shane, he probably doesn't even care that is elbow flops around like a windsock at an airport. i'm sure bustamente wouldn't either.

in regards to biomechanics in sport, there is always the exception when it comes to genius (ie. moe norman or jim furyk for you golf nuts). not something to copy, but allows you to understand that even other people may percieve what could be called flaws in your technique, they are only truly flaws if it negatively effects the outcome of what you are trying to achieve.
 
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