If you're serious, the you're extremely short-sighted about Shane and Chuck Liddell.
Shane w/o a Break Shot
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If you're serious, the you're extremely short-sighted about Shane and Chuck Liddell.
Actually, we've seen Shane without a breaking advantage at the Mosconi Cup. There, his break is roughly as good, but not better, than that of the top Europeans. Shane's career record in singles in the Mosconi Cup is 9-9, and in all 18 of those matches, Shane would have been known as the #1 American professional player.
I agree, he would still be best, just very very close with archer. Maybe even close to a pick-em.
i'm dead serious and the only 1 bein short sided here is u, u aren't factoring in how much confidence shane feeds off of his break and concerning chucky liddell he threw awkward punches @ warp speeds, used defensive wrestling instead of offensive and he blocked punches w his face, if i'm missing any other vital skills he used to win a majority of his fights please enlighten me because i'd love to hear it
it is just an analogy to try and emphasize how HUGE his break is and how important it is to his overall rotational skills, if u have a better 1 please enlighten me
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The giy beat Duel
Giving him the 5 and 6...that is just plain superhero stuff.
Giving him the 5 and 6...that is just plain superhero stuff.
I thought he won the Derby one-pocket event one year and have been gambling very well at it. Who knows about Snooker and 3-C, those take a pretty different skill set to play than the other pool games. I'd guess he'll be as good at those as any other top player that dabbles in the games.
What are you gonna do cut his arms off ?
He won two years. But, let's not let the facts bring any light to the feel-good lie that it's all about his break. Just like a Chuck Liddell. God forbid he brought anything else world-class to the table (or the ring).
Freddie <~~~ deep-sighted
I imagine there was a time when Shane didn't have his break. Then he worked on it til he found it. So we don't have to speculate on what "Shane without his break" would be like, because that was Shane early in his career. Here is the answer, he didn't win as much.
I was thinking the same thing. Most of the early stuff I heard about him was that he played like he was practicing (which is how you'd like to play) and that he had a monster break. Before him, Bustamante was the one with the monster break, but I think his rickshaw stroke does him in more. I wonder what he discovered in trying to fine tune his break. That's the secret I would like him to share!
He most certainly does bring World Class stuff. I would like to see a challenge match between him and Darren on his side of the pond!
Except you're working under a "fallacious argument" here.
You are assuming that only his break improved since that beginning time and not the rest of his game, which I highly doubt.
For all you know, he might have been breaking great then and just not getting out.
In reality, both aspects of his game probably developed somewhat in parallel until he just "was" a monster.
This. Kid plays great in all aspects.
To everyone who thinks Shane is mainly just a good breaker... what part of his game wouldn't you want?
Right on
Icon of Sin.
You hit the nail squared on the head. While Shane does have an awesome break he also has great cue ball control and shot selection. His table runs are so effortless it really shows the dedication he has put into his game.
In every sport the top players have one special thing they do better than others.
Some baseball players hit homers, some have a great glove, others have a specialty pitch.
Should we take away what they do best and then compare them to others?
For those of you who say Archer would play Shane even without Shane's awesome break I say maybe he could.
But how about if Archer works on his break and brings it up to Shane's level and then we will see.
Some people in life are willing to work hard to achieve their goals and I don't think it is right for people to say "well if" to make a comparison.
Don
We could go on for ever
Icon of Sin.
You hit the nail squared on the head. While Shane does have an awesome break he also has great cue ball control and shot selection. His table runs are so effortless it really shows the dedication he has put into his game.
In every sport the top players have one special thing they do better than others.
Some baseball players hit homers, some have a great glove, others have a specialty pitch.
Should we take away what they do best and then compare them to others?
For those of you who say Archer would play Shane even without Shane's awesome break I say maybe he could.
But how about if Archer works on his break and brings it up to Shane's level and then we will see.
Some people in life are willing to work hard to achieve their goals and I don't think it is right for people to say "well if" to make a comparison.
Don
We could go on for ever
Great post.
The only thing not correct about this (and really, your post is great, so don't get me wrong on this) is that he actually became a world class shot maker and position player before his break became what it is. He came to the Derby City Classic fresh off of the Windy City win, and he didn't have this signature break yet. In other words, he was already improving to the point of winning a break through tournament. And he kept on improving. He went from young non-elite to elite in about a year (and I"m sure some people will misunderstand that statement).
There should really be no speculation. He improved everything. He's one of the best kickers, bankers, safety players in the game. He has the best work ethic to improve his game. And now this young man is taking things a little easier.
Freddie <~~~ surely watching him in person is better than speculating on the internet.
Agreed.
I think it is Shane's practice ethic that seperates him from the other players. Shane is constantly shooting. All the time. If there is a open table at a tourney, Shane is on it staying in stroke.
I think Shane just puts in more table time and works on the things that he knows will win it for him (like the break) and his weaknesses so they become strengths. I just dont see a lot of the other big names doing that and that is why they arent at Shane's level.
Many hours of watching
I have sat and watched Shane play and practice many hours when he comes to Fargo Billiards. Practicing the same shot over and over. Amazing. Watched him play in the 9 ball tourney against one guy, broke dry, and pushes out to a jump shot. The guys gives it back to him, Shane makes the jump and runs out. Did it three times that set. He has it all. If you ever get the chance to sit and watch him practice, do it. Your opinion will change how good he is.
Don't know to many other people who will give Corey Deuel the 5/6 in 10 ball and win 21-10
I have sat and watched Shane play and practice many hours when he comes to Fargo Billiards. Practicing the same shot over and over. Amazing. Watched him play in the 9 ball tourney against one guy, broke dry, and pushes out to a jump shot. The guys gives it back to him, Shane makes the jump and runs out. Did it three times that set. He has it all. If you ever get the chance to sit and watch him practice, do it. Your opinion will change how good he is.
Don't know to many other people who will give Corey Deuel the 5/6 in 10 ball and win 21-10
I love to read and discuss these types of topics.
I have heard during commentary pros say if we took the break out then I would bla bla bla.
Shane like Cory developed the break they use. Shane used a Brakrak for like 2 years to get his break down. And Cory did his training on the break.
If you play golf, you go to the driving range, borring I know but it's a part of the game. If you can run out like a champ, then spend more time learning the skills that keep you from winning (THE BREAK)...
I have heard during commentary pros say if we took the break out then I would bla bla bla.
Shane like Cory developed the break they use. Shane used a Brakrak for like 2 years to get his break down. And Cory did his training on the break.
If you play golf, you go to the driving range, borring I know but it's a part of the game. If you can run out like a champ, then spend more time learning the skills that keep you from winning (THE BREAK)...
I have never reallty understood all the talk about his break. It's only one shot of the game. Is it important? Sure it is. But so is every other shot of the game.
Why ask how he would play without his break? That's no different than saying that Archer or Strickland would be beat by many, many, others if you took away their shotmaking ability. Just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just a skill that he has practiced and honed enough to be a little above the others.
What's next, change the rules like they did on Corey Duel so the others don't have to practice as much? And, to those that find his game boring because of his break, you don't really know what you are looking for, so you can't even appreciate the rest of his game. Believe me, it's not automatic that he is out, he has to earn that out. It's just that the rest of his game is also perfected, so he makes it look easy.
Why ask how he would play without his break? That's no different than saying that Archer or Strickland would be beat by many, many, others if you took away their shotmaking ability. Just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just a skill that he has practiced and honed enough to be a little above the others.
What's next, change the rules like they did on Corey Duel so the others don't have to practice as much? And, to those that find his game boring because of his break, you don't really know what you are looking for, so you can't even appreciate the rest of his game. Believe me, it's not automatic that he is out, he has to earn that out. It's just that the rest of his game is also perfected, so he makes it look easy.
Thank you Neil. You made my point much more clearer than I did. We agree 100%. Tap, Tap, Tap...