Shaun Wilkie crying . .....

I believe most of you are missing Shaun's point.. Shaun is a professional. He carries himself as such, and he has a true passion for this sport. There are not many out there, who are a better representative for this game. He is also not alone, among pro players, in his position on this matter.

If this game is to be taken seriously, there should be some form of drug testing. Unfortunately, without any major sanctioning body, there is no way to implement drug testing for major tournaments.

For the ignorant posters, suggesting that these drugs shouldn't affect the outcome of a match, perhaps you should do more research.
 
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bradsh98 said:
I believe most of you are missing Shaun's point.. Shaun is a professional. He carries himself as such, and he has a true passion for this sport. There are not many out there, who are a better representative for this game. He is also not alone, among pro players, in his position on this matter.

If this game is to be taken seriously, there should be some form of drug testing. Unfortunately, without any major sanctioning body, there is no way to implement drug testing for major tournaments.

For the ignorant posters, suggesting that these drugs shouldn't affect the outcome of a match, perhaps you should do more research.
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How does my being high affect the outcome of the match? \

I don't get the drug testing, at won't point prior to the tournament is the cut-off point?
I am not to be allowed into a tournament for drugs I did in the off-season?
Also, it's not like pool players are taking steroids to aim and execute better.
I suppose I just don't see and advantage, there is a retired pro I play regularly in my area, he knows I am higher than bird pussy when we play, I can't imagine him thinking it gives me an advantage, and he whoops my ass most times lol.
 
BurritoBandido said:
Sooooooo, the person high on drugs has an advantage over the sober person playing pool? How would one think this is possible? I can't imagine being in a tournament and people thinking I have an advantage because I just smoked a joint in the parking lot. I've won plenty of my local tournaments high of weed and coke, but not because I was high, because I put in the work. That's all.
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You automatically assumed that the drugs in question are the typical, weed and cocaine.

There are many focus enhancing pharmaceuticals available today. Adderall is one of the more common. Though, there are several others.

Taking a substance that improves cognitive function gives an absolute advantage. Of course, everyone's body chemistry is different, so it comes down to the person figuring out the proper mixture/dosage to function at peak level. We are not talking about your typical haphazard drug use.
 
bradsh98 said:
You automatically assumed that the drugs in question are the typical, weed and cocaine.

There are many focus enhancing pharmaceuticals available today. Adderall is one of the more common. Though, there are several others.

Taking a substance that improves cognitive function gives an absolute advantage. Of course, everyone's body chemistry is different, so it comes down to the person figuring out the proper mixture/dosage to function at peak level. We are not talking about your typical haphazard drug use.
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Not assuming anything, Adderall is a drug that improves cognitive function, however the player still has to execute, and executing something physical while under the influence of a mind altering drug is never going to give an advantage lol. That's all my point is.
 
BurritoBandido said:
Not assuming anything, Adderall is a drug that improves cognitive function, however the player still has to execute, and executing something physical while under the influence of a mind altering drug is never going to give an advantage lol. That's all my point is.
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I suppose you would have to do some research on these drugs, to really have an understanding of the effects, short-term and long-term.

They do improve cognitive function, which enhances focus. You still have to put in the time to hone your skills. Though, the assistance that these drugs provide, allow you to maintain focus at a higher level, for longer periods of time, thereby allowing you to improve at a faster rate, and to a higher level.

When playing in a tournament, with the assistance of these chemicals, the higher level of focus can make all the difference in the world. When the deciding factor in a match is who made fewer mistakes, who has the advantage: the player who can maintain an unnatural level of focus, or the player who has only his own body chemistry to rely on?
 
http://www.golfdigest.com/story/adderall-use

An excerpt from the article above

Members of Congress weren't looking for Adderall when they investigated baseball for steroid abuse in 2005, but they found it. Adderall was so widespread—the then-chairman of the World Anti-Doping agency later said ADD in MLB seemed "to be an epidemic"—that MLB banned and started testing for the drug in 2006. Players immediately began filing for exemptions. MLB's Mitchell Report found that medical exemptions for Adderall based on ADD/ADHD diagnoses had jumped from 28 players in 2006 to more than 100 in 2007—roughly 10 percent of active players, far higher than the 2-4 percent of adults nationwide who have been diagnosed.

It's in football, too. Seattle Seahawks All-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman told the Vancouver Sun in 2013 that "about half" of the NFL's players take Adderall because it helps them quickly analyze situations. Sherman later said he was misquoted, but the newspaper stood by its reporting.

Controversy over prescription drugs isn't unprecedented in golf. Beta blockers, the name for a class of heart and blood-pressure medication, were fairly common among tour players in the 1980s for their ability to help a heart beat at a constant speed. Greg Norman said that "lots of guys were on beta blockers" during the height of his career. Nick Price was prescribed the drug for high blood pressure and took it between 1984 and 1989. Mac O'Grady said that his putting improved when he tried beta blockers in 1985.

"When I think of the two drugs that could provide the most benefit to golfers, it's beta blockers and Adderall," says Dr. Grant Liu, a professor of neurology at the University of Pennsylvania.
 
Opportunity Missed

Years ago Gene Nagy was in Dallas for a while playing and hanging out at Time Square
pool room. ( What a player he was ).He said " pool players need to approach the
Pharmaceutical Companies about sponsoring pool. They have more money than anything
else associated with pool a thousand times over. We could even do tv ads, I used to
weigh 240 pounds, was useless, couldn't run 3 balls. But after I started taking these
blacks i'm down to 85 pounds and haven't missed a ball in 2 months.After I bust all
these suckers I'm going to run home and mow the lawn. Thank You JOHNSON and
JOHNSON.We could even have shirts, you know like the bowlers wear with advertising
patches all over them. We're really missing the boat here." With his NY or whatever it
was accent to here him was hilarious. But if any of you on here knew him you would
know he might have been serious.
jack
 
bradsh98 said:
I suppose you would have to do some research on these drugs, to really have an understanding of the effects, short-term and long-term.

They do improve cognitive function, which enhances focus. You still have to put in the time to hone your skills. Though, the assistance that these drugs provide, allow you to maintain focus at a higher level, for longer periods of time, thereby allowing you to improve at a faster rate, and to a higher level.

When playing in a tournament, with the assistance of these chemicals, the higher level of focus can make all the difference in the world. When the deciding factor in a match is who made fewer mistakes, who has the advantage: the player who can maintain an unnatural level of focus, or the player who has only his own body chemistry to rely on?
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I can understand that point, truth be told I know I play better high. Thanks for the response, I never looked at it from that point of view.
 
So funny.
Everyone knows a player that plays "clean"
Have they ever been tested? NO.
HAHAHAHA

That's like those people in denial who don't want to believe that such and such is hooked on drugs, and how he would never do that because he's such a good upstanding human being and so nice to be around.

That is until he's DEAD or they find him nodded off in some back room with a needle in his arm.
But that's OK because there will always be that person who goes and gets them more drugs and puts them in the box cause they play so great.

Someone please tell me where in U.S. pool has there ever been drug testing? Hhmmmm?

Please.
You don't know till they've been tested...aaaaand that never happens in this country.
You cut out speed and beta blockers out of the mix, lots of world champions are going right back to playing shortstop speed.:eek:

All you guys that want pool in the Olympics.
Just watch how the all your heros fail their drug tests and get disqualified.
HAHAHAHA
 
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I can't believe a guy who plays hobby pool for a living and surely loses money would want drug testing inducted into american pool tournaments.

Simple fact, there is only probably 3-4 real professional american pool players in the US, and Shawn Wilke is not one of them.

If you can't pay house payment car payment insurance and utility bills and submit a w2 you are no pro player so you should quit pretending. Just play the game for what it is, a great game with a lot of fun and a chance to make some money some time, but unless you are top form and top 5 in the US you should have other ways of making money.

Show us a tour with GUARANTEED payouts and then you can show us a contract that says we have to pee in a cup.
 
Furthermore,

Lets assume you have drug testing.

128 players x $40 for each test. who is doing the testing ? they will also want paid.

you are talking about over $5000 for simple test and not including the physicians cost.

So does this money come out of the prize fund?

People who keep advocating for drug testing in pool without a paying tour should be laughed at.
 
They have drug testing in snooker.
Snooker has more money in it than pool EVER will.
I wonder why that is?:rolleyes:
LOL
 
You would have zero clue. Has zero to do with drug testing you can bet on that though.
 
BmoreMoney said:
So now Shaun is on some kind off anti drug drug testing mission. He says that since he plays sober he is at a big disadvantage to all the other players that do ( whatever ). Something to the effect of testing every two hours of a match lololol. Mentioned was Adderall and weed. lol. So my response to him would be well what is those doing those things had a legally prescribed prescription for such???? Then what? Shauns from my area. I think he is being a bit condescending and that's all I'll say. I guess the real question for dices sion is now - with SOO many people on here discounted " get I
ting the mixture right " and saying it only drags down your game with no real sustained beneifit, then what is it anyone has to worry about? What does Shaun have to worry about . OR, is it really something to it that the real players have known for a long, long time? can't have it both ways, yall know where I stand.
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Doesn't matter to the Olympic committee or say the NFL or MLB if you have a prescription for a banned substance. For example - in the Olympics, beta blockers (such as metoprorol) are banned. These drugs are used to lower your heart rate. The bonus for a competitor, say someone in archery or rifle event, is that your nerves would be steadier as well. It would be good for pool as well and I'm sure some players take them. p.s. I have a prescription for my beta blocker but I still can't make a ball.

NFL players are banned all the time for drugs that were prescribed. If a drug is banned, doesn't matter if your doctor requested you to take it or not.

Adderall is huge in pool, I see players that I know that are on it only for their pool benefit that post on Facebook saying they are anti drug. I find that hilarious.
 
justaplayer said:
Yep
Mommy and daddy bring them to the doctor at 15 saying he's got am attention deficit disorder....and walk out with it.
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The reason one stroke said you were wrong is because you cannot walk out with with it, though maybe you didn't mean this literally. Adderall and Ritalin are classified as schedule 2 controlled drugs. They are kept in a safe at pharmacies right alongside all the drugs that pharmacies across the US are getting robbed for. You either need a hard copy provided to you by your doctor or it can be e-scribed, though paper copies brought to the pharmacy are more common. The legality of e-scribing schedule 2 drugs is still fairly new.
 
PocketSpeed11 said:
The reason one stroke said you were wrong is because you cannot walk out with with it, though maybe you didn't mean this literally. Adderall and Ritalin are classified as schedule 2 controlled drugs. They are kept in a safe at pharmacies right alongside all the drugs that pharmacies across the US are getting robbed for. You either need a hard copy provided to you by your doctor or it can be e-scribed, though paper copies brought to the pharmacy are more common. The legality of e-scribing schedule 2 drugs is still fairly new.
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you can e-scribe schedule 3 drugs
 
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