Shaw 714 DVD

rexus31

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It's comical. I'll say it again: The dude ran SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN BALLS. We could setup a table with 7" gaff pockets and none of us would come close to half that. Give it a rest already. Buy the video or don't. But can we all agree it was an amazing accomplishment? Some of you need to put away your inner Harriman and move on.
 
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middleofnowhere

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I guess he should have been splitting pockets on every shot. He ran 714 on a table with 5" pockets and at lightning speed.
If Mosconi or John had to shoot on a tough table, they would not have achieved their high runs either.
Did you watch the video I posted? Did you notice the way the balls opened? There are other factors as well. The balls Mosconi would have been playing with would not likely open with the slightest touch. Most racks would require some work to get through.

The pockets also react differently as do the rails. Balls hang up due to the rail friction. On Jaysons table the balls react like they are polished with silicone. They flew into the pockets and break shots balls went everywhere.

Again, in the video I posted, that looks like what a normal table and balls play like. I feel on Jaysons table they did everything they could to make runs happen. That is all I am saying.

The table Mike and Earl were playing no one could run that kind of number. We were not there, but I suspect the table and conditions Mosconi did his run on also makes it extordinaty. No one was polishing the balls every few racks. Also the more confining nature of the smaller table.

Let's face it, what Mosconi did was amazing. Most all players then and up till now had life time high runs at best in the 300s. If all tables played like Jaysons, forget about it.

For me this is not a debate, it is my opinion from 60 years of playing and watching pool. It's how I feel.
I would like to see John's run to compare the two.
 

rexus31

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Did you watch the video I posted? Did you notice the way the balls opened? There are other factors as well. The balls Mosconi would have been playing with would not likely open with the slightest touch. Most racks would require some work to get through.

The pockets also react differently as do the rails. Balls hang up due to the rail friction. On Jaysons table the balls react like they are polished with silicone. They flew into the pockets and break shots balls went everywhere.

Again, in the video I posted, that looks like what a normal table and balls play like. I feel on Jaysons table they did everything they could to make runs happen. That is all I am saying.

The table Mike and Earl were playing no one could run that kind of number. We were not there, but I suspect the table and conditions Mosconi did his run on also makes it extordinaty. No one was polishing the balls every few racks. Also the more confining nature of the smaller table.

Let's face it, what Mosconi did was amazing. Most all players then and up till now had life time high runs at best in the 300s. If all tables played like Jaysons, forget about it.

For me this is not a debate, it is my opinion from 60 years of playing and watching pool. It's how I feel.
I would like to see John's run to compare the two.
Three other world class players (Shane, Earl, Ruslan) attempted many runs on the same equipment and did not have the same result. Give Jayson his due. It was a remarkable achievement. He shouldn't apologize or have an asterisk next to 714 for making it look easy. That's what professionals in any sport do: They make the difficult look easy. There was certainly nothing easy about running SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN BALLS. Nothing.
 

greyghost

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Three other world class players (Shane, Earl, Ruslan) attempted many runs on the same equipment and did not have the same result. Give Jayson his due. It was a remarkable achievement. He shouldn't apologize or have an asterisk next to 714 for making it look easy. That's what professionals in any sport do: They make the difficult look easy. There was certainly nothing easy about running SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN BALLS. Nothing.
I thought he was the only one that they used the template rack? Correct me if I’m wrong.
 

greyghost

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What a sad attempt at being a poetic story teller. You should apply at CNN or ESPN even, that might be an improvement...
Nice try making your opinion anything more than subjective.

10k dollar cues to some are insanity, same as 5$ coffee…but people sure do buy them.

No one cares if you personally disapprove of the cost of anything because there are plenty that will.

Money is spent on much more frivolous things all the time.
 

greyghost

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All participants used the permarack. Everyone was getting wide-open spreads.
Actually sorry Incorrect…i should have went double check first myself … went check and here’s screenshots of earls vs Jason sessions.

I knew I had heard that mentioned
 

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rexus31

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Actually sorry Incorrect…i should have went double check first myself … went check and here’s screenshots of earls vs Jason sessions.

I knew I had heard that mentioned
Shane's attempt:
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Ruslan's attempt:
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Bobby placing the balls in the template during Earl's attempt. If you watch the video, there is clearly no rack being used.
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rexus31

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Permarack or the Outsville template makes no difference. They both do the same thing: Template applied to the table to provide a tight rack with all balls touching. I use something similar, The Slug Doctor.
 

easy-e

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It's comical. I'll say it again: The dude ran SEVEN HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN BALLS. We cold setup a table with 7" gaff pockets and none of us would come close to half that. Give it a rest already. Buy the video or don't. But can we all agree it was an amazing accomplishment? Some of you need to put away your inner Harriman and move on.
You’re right about how amazing his run was. The dude is unreal. I might take that bet with 7” pockets though. I may not come close, but I’d throw some money at it.
 

DynoDan

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Geez, it likely took me longer to read all the posts in this thread than for him to run the 714.
I am disturbed a bit by the use of the template rack, though I WOULD also pay just to see that many balls run. What hasn’t been mentioned, is that the strongest interest would likely be to merely RENT the DVD. Or, buying sure, but for eventual resale on eBay. (Anyone got delivery yet?) It’s the kind of thing IMHO many will want to watch (again, hard to believe 52 no miss/hook/scratch/etc.), but not necessarily own. Those too cheap (or uninterested in the package frills) to blow $125, might easily spend $30 to just watch it a couple times, then mail it back to reclaim their deposit. Similar value loss selling used (?).
 

lfigueroa

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Permarack or the Outsville template makes no difference. They both do the same thing: Template applied to the table to provide a tight rack with all balls touching. I use something similar, The Slug Doctor.

Besides ensuring a tight rack the other things is that it makes sure the rack is alway straight -- some players, whether intentionally or not, have a tendency to ocassionally twist the rack or set it a tad high or low.

We wanted to make sure that didn't happen.

Lou Figueroa
 

rexus31

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Besides ensuring a tight rack the other things is that it makes sure the rack is alway straight -- some players, whether intentionally or not, have a tendency to ocassionally twist the rack or set it a tad high or low.

We wanted to make sure that didn't happen.

Lou Figueroa
Good call out, Lou.
 

wrldpro

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Besides ensuring a tight rack the other things is that it makes sure the rack is alway straight -- some players, whether intentionally or not, have a tendency to ocassionally twist the rack or set it a tad high or low.

We wanted to make sure that didn't happen.

Lou Figueroa
This is exactly true. There is zero chance of the balls being racked offset or high or low to gain any advantage. 100% full proof for sure.
 
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