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That can be easily done.
I won't do one b/c everyone knows DS started that .
I won't do one b/c everyone knows DS started that .
Any cuemaker can face off an 1/8" with no problem. Benson and several others including myself have put on collars 1/2" or shorter. I built some that way in the late 80's, but decided my cues hit better without the stainless collar and I have only built a handful of stainless jointed cues since.
^ My bad.
Anyone can make em then.
Anyone can make em then.
K, DS started the half-inch collar.Pinocchio said:
Rambo started the 3/4 SS?
Also everyone has copied the Rambo buttsleeve.
thnx
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Joey since you are a newbie to cuemaking an have invented nothing to my knowledge everytime you crank out one of your masterpieces its a collaboration of those before you. I do know this for sure an certain that you are chief instigator on AZB but like a big dog you can dish it out but you can't take it. Now holler mods as loud as you can...........
Pinocchio
Joey since you are a newbie to cuemaking an have invented nothing to my knowledge everytime you crank out one of your masterpieces its a collaboration of those before you. I do know this for sure an certain that you are chief instigator on AZB but like a big dog you can dish it out but you can't take it. Now holler mods as loud as you can...........
Pinocchio
JoeyInCali said:
Not to be contrary, I'm guessing DS is Searing.
When did he start using a 1/2 inch joint?
Benson(sp) out in the rainy Northwest was doing it
something like 30 years ago.
A certain grummpy old cuemaker who rarely post
here used 1/2 inch SS collars 15, or more years ago.
Dale<roving cue historian>
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I dug the cave by hand then painted the picture. Actually it was Ox blood. Paint was invented and patented a year later by MG.Kelly_Guy said:
Maybe it was that cave where my inspiration came from. I can't totally remember where I got the idea unless it was from Benson. But I think the main reason was because I used the short phenolic joint with stitch rings that has now become more popular. Only a handful of us were using the shorter joint rings without the long collar in the middle back then. So I thought if I used the 1" stainless it would not keep that short joint look my cues had always had. Another reason I went with it was that my stainless joint had no taper. I had it machined to .850" so I could easily match shafts up. Once installed I had to do no cutting on the stainless. I had been using stainless sanding mandrels for my shaft and butts. Several years later I finally had several sets of sanding mandrels made out of carbide and have used them ever since.
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I met Mike Johnson of Jenson cues at the BCA Trade show in Louisville in 86 or 87 and he had some half/steel joints on his cues and I really liked the idea. When Sherm and myself became partners and started to build cues the half/steel is what we normally used. I have always cut down full steel joints to half size before installing which is a little pain in the butt. A couple of years ago I bought a 100 full length and then a month or so later I found that Schmelke sells them made that size if anyone wants to try them out. I normally use them flat faced with a brass radial pin. It eliminates around 3/4 of an ounce from the front of the butt over a full length steel joint
Dick.
Dick.
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joey what did i start??? lol
Searing has made the 1/2 joint popular for his cues. It's been done a long time, but he zeroed in on it & made it a key design note for his cues. I don't think he has ever claimed he invented it. He's a pretty humble & realistic fellow. He just likes the joint & uses it. His cues are popular, so of course design aspects of his cues will be popular. So it's easy in this situation to confuse "invention" with "popularization". No harm, no foul. Just something else to argue about.
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Hello,
To add some clarification at least to the best my knowledge regarding the piloted stainless half joint.
I DIDN'T invent the half joint look. To my knowledge it was Rocky Tillis who did in the late 60's early 70's but not sure. His method also had stainless going rather deep into the forearm. Benson did it as well, how ever His was sleeved, and there were others, and most of them were flat faced, and sleeved. If anyone wants to add info on joint history, it would awesome.
It's the method, the way it's made, and installed that was unique to me.
It also became a very popular request by customers of mine.
At the time I did it, I don't think anyone building cues was doing a piloted half joint as I called it.
Thank you,
Dennis
Hello,
To add some clarification at least to the best my knowledge regarding the piloted stainless half joint.
I DIDN'T invent the half joint look. To my knowledge it was Rocky Tillis who did in the late 60's early 70's but not sure. His method also had stainless going rather deep into the forearm. Benson did it as well, how ever His was sleeved, and there were others, and most of them were flat faced, and sleeved. If anyone wants to add info on joint history, it would awesome.
It's the method, the way it's made, and installed that was unique to me.
It also became a very popular request by customers of mine.
At the time I did it, I don't think anyone building cues was doing a piloted half joint as I called it.
Thank you,
Dennis
Pinocchio said:
Maybe I missed something but I don't see where Joey said anything to deserve that kind of disrespect.
Me thinks you have something else bothering you. JMHO.