gotuontilt
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This is my first post. I'm relatively new to the game and was wondering what exactly is shortstop speed. Would that be around a 5 or 6 in the APA?
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Shortstop Speed?
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gotuontilt said:
A 5 or 6 in the APA is roughly equivalent to a C player. A shortstop is at least Open speed, which is the next ranking above A or A+ in this area.
A good shortstop could spot a 5 or 6 in the APA, about 6 games in a race to 9 in 9-ball.
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be hard to gauge
I think it would be hard to say in APA handicaps.Reason being I feel like most 9s are shortstops,8s maybe a weak shortstop.You have Pro's,which would be the top players who beat regional players,shortstops,ect.Regional players,it takes a pro to beat them for the most part.these are the players that are consistently at the top of monthly tournaments.Regional players beat shortstop,ect.Then shortstops,they useually beat 90% of league players regularly.They also place in tournaments.Just remember there are levels to each of these als
ne is also prone to kick up a notch and beat the other.Regional players have the ability to play close to some of the weaker champions,ect.It doesn't hurt to tag yourself or others,but I beleive its better to just know who beats who.
I think it would be hard to say in APA handicaps.Reason being I feel like most 9s are shortstops,8s maybe a weak shortstop.You have Pro's,which would be the top players who beat regional players,shortstops,ect.Regional players,it takes a pro to beat them for the most part.these are the players that are consistently at the top of monthly tournaments.Regional players beat shortstop,ect.Then shortstops,they useually beat 90% of league players regularly.They also place in tournaments.Just remember there are levels to each of these als
ne is also prone to kick up a notch and beat the other.Regional players have the ability to play close to some of the weaker champions,ect.It doesn't hurt to tag yourself or others,but I beleive its better to just know who beats who.
gotuontilt said:
Here's a little ditty I wrote a while ago hat gives my answer
http://myweb.cableone.net/fargopage/FTM.htm
I'll take those odds in a heartbeat!
Really...so...do you think I can get Jude to spot me 6 on 9 in 9-ball? I'd play him for quite large amounts of money at that spot. Considering in the league he spots me 4 on 10 I think...and we usually end up fairly even with that sort of spot
It is *very* difficult to relate APA SL's to pool speed...
-chris (6 in the APA, although quite close to going up, also I don't play APA 9-ball since their rules are...umm...not 9 ball...)
Steve Lipsky said:
Really...so...do you think I can get Jude to spot me 6 on 9 in 9-ball? I'd play him for quite large amounts of money at that spot. Considering in the league he spots me 4 on 10 I think...and we usually end up fairly even with that sort of spot
It is *very* difficult to relate APA SL's to pool speed...
-chris (6 in the APA, although quite close to going up, also I don't play APA 9-ball since their rules are...umm...not 9 ball...)
juggler314 said:Really...so...do you think I can get Jude to spot me 6 on 9 in 9-ball? I'd play him for quite large amounts of money at that spot. Considering in the league he spots me 4 on 10 I think...and we usually end up fairly even with that sort of spot
It is *very* difficult to relate APA SL's to pool speed...
-chris (6 in the APA, although quite close to going up, also I don't play APA 9-ball since their rules are...umm...not 9 ball...)
Well, Jude is not Open speed, though he's getting closer and closer every day.
So... if you are about even with 4 on 9, then that would be about right according to my estimate. And I did say a "good" shortstop, not a lower-echelon one. So we are talking at least middle-open speed.
Not sure what you're talking about, to tell you the truth.
- Steve
juggler314 said:Really...so...do you think I can get Jude to spot me 6 on 9 in 9-ball? I'd play him for quite large amounts of money at that spot. Considering in the league he spots me 4 on 10 I think...and we usually end up fairly even with that sort of spot
It is *very* difficult to relate APA SL's to pool speed...
-chris (6 in the APA, although quite close to going up, also I don't play APA 9-ball since their rules are...umm...not 9 ball...)
Who is this?
Steve Lipsky said:
I was actually unfamiliar with the term "shortstop" before reading this. In the 9-ball league chris L has Jude in as "open" but that league is a bit over-handicapped in general...as I don't think I'm a B player either
Jude, I'm Chris Kelly
juggler314 said:
Local leagues need to make names for categories of players, and those names shouldn't necessarily be confused with the use in a more national context or on this board.
A small pool room in Podunk, ND might rank it's group of players AA, A, B, C, even though the best player in town is a "C" player by the normal use of the phrase.
This is true even in bigger areas. In Minneapolis, for instance, there is a handicapped tournament in a room that has ratings like,
C
B
A
AA
M (master)
M+
M++
pro
pro++
LEE
It's pretty funny. "Lee," the gentleman with his own rating, plays ESSENTIALLY at pro speed.
Nice to see friends saying such nice things about me in public AND unsolicited to boot!
mikepage said:
That's pretty funny, I never understand why people just don't go with D-,D,D+ etc - that gives you 12 levels before you get to open and pro...
that above rating sounds more like no one really wants to admit that they are a bunch of D players for the most part
Kind of like the way no one gets less than a B in most grad school classes no matter how poorly you do!
Shortstop
Here are two definitions as I understand them:
World Class: Any player who has the ability to beat any other player at anytime.
Shortstop: Just under World Class. This player stops short or beating a World Class player. It takes another shortstop player or a World Class player to beat a Shortstop player.
Here are two definitions as I understand them:
World Class: Any player who has the ability to beat any other player at anytime.
Shortstop: Just under World Class. This player stops short or beating a World Class player. It takes another shortstop player or a World Class player to beat a Shortstop player.
Tough One.
Shortstops are capable of beating 95% of locals. If they could travel and play continually, they would probably be at a low-end pro level. Every town's (large towns) top 5% would fall into this category, more than likely. I don't consider myself but maybe a lower level shortstop, but I spot most all seven and under in the APA in my area. I am referring to the eight ball league. I did play Masters division once. Boring.
I know Larry Bowa and some of today's shortstops ran around 4.5 forty yard dashes. As to their ranking in the APA, I didn't know they even played pool. Generally the shortstop is quicker than the second baseman.gotuontilt said:
Shortstops are capable of beating 95% of locals. If they could travel and play continually, they would probably be at a low-end pro level. Every town's (large towns) top 5% would fall into this category, more than likely. I don't consider myself but maybe a lower level shortstop, but I spot most all seven and under in the APA in my area. I am referring to the eight ball league. I did play Masters division once. Boring.
gotuontilt said:
Is this FL? Why would I think that?
Regardless, shortstop speed is probably closer to the Master's level in BCA and it would be the highest level players in the APA AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, not the local level (basically those who regularly finish the top 12 postitions of the MASTER'S DIVISION, IMHO).
JoeyA
crawfish said:I know Larry Bowa and some of today's shortstops ran around 4.5 forty yard dashes. As to their ranking in the APA, I didn't know they even played pool. Generally the shortstop is quicker than the second baseman.
If only my boy Rickey (Rickey) Henderson had played short....that's some speed there....just ask Rickey about Rickey's speed
mikepage said:
MP,
Too cool. I like your analogy.
P.S. - it is 34 million gallons per minute that flows over Niagara Falls in the summer on average.
A shortstop has the ability to beat all but the very best of pro players. Consider this...Charlotte's shortstop is the well known Ron Parks. Former US Amateur Champion, placed very high in the US Open, and has won several large Viking type events. He is the definition of a shortstop...he's beat many top champions in tournament matches and can beat most any pro (except the upper crowd) at any given time. Yet when matching up with a better shortstop or average pro...you learn not to side bet. You don't like his side against Brian Gross, Doug Young, Ian Costello, Tony Watson or even a Stevie Moore. Stevie was a classic example of a top shortstop...he could beat anyone...but you didn't like his side against Alex, Francisco, Efren, etc. Stevie of course has since been making the move to climb the pro ranks. Most APA 9's that I know...need huge spots from any of the above mentioned.
It seems the term "shortstop' in pool means something different in different parts of the country and even in different poolrooms in the same area. Where I grew up they were the best player or players in a medium to large poolroom and were considered high A +'s. Down in Florida it seems most think of them as just a tad under pro. Johnnyt