Shot-Making: My Response to Drivemaker

drivermaker said:
BULLSHIT...NOBODY does that on their first time. Try again.........
Let's try another one to see how "truthful" you are....Who won the Revolutionary War? (watch the spin on this one...getting my violin out right now to be prepared)

There's a top 10 snooker player Steven Lee who commented (numbers maybe a bit off due to my memory) that the first time he ever picked up a cue he made a 30+ break, first shot at snooker at age 15, and made a 58 break later in that day.

That is pretty freakish. Like some people who pick up music or art or mathematics very naturally. Maybe he was Mignaud (sp?) or one of those dudes in a past life. *ducks*

It would be depressing to think that no matter how much you tried you could never beat the natural talents. Luckily, or perhaps delusionally, I think I could :D But it just ain't my no.1 priority. Copyright Excuse no.23, 2005 :cool:
 
drivermaker said:
Let's try another one to see how "truthful" you are....Who won the Revolutionary War?

Well I think the current version is that is was Mel Gibson.

Boro Nut
 
Colin Colenso said:
There's a top 10 snooker player Steven Lee who commented (numbers maybe a bit off due to my memory) that the first time he ever picked up a cue he made a 30+ break, first shot at snooker at age 15, and made a 58 break later in that day.


Yeh...I guess that's possible now that I think of it. I totally forgot...the first time I EVER picked up a golf club I shot 69. The next day I shot 67.
I don't know what happend but from then on out it all turned to shit. :rolleyes:
 
drivermaker said:
Yeh...I guess that's possible now that I think of it. I totally forgot...the first time I EVER picked up a golf club I shot 69. The next day I shot 67.
I don't know what happend but from then on out it all turned to shit. :rolleyes:


That's pretty good for one hole DM. lol
 
ceebee said:
I would venture to say that most of the participants of this forum were drawn here for the purposes you state...

As far as opinions go, we all have a nose & an opinion. Most of our noses are different, so our opinions might not be cookie cutter images either. I read opinions expressed & I understand the motive of one person seeking to help another. However, when mud is thrown back & forth because opinions are contradicted, I see that as a restraint of personal freedom.

If Little Johnny reads a "suggestion" & Little Johnny can't see the usefulness in that suggestion, does Johnny have the right to sling some contradicting mud on the person who made the suggestion? Hopefully not. However, Little Johnny is well within his rights to ignore the message, even if the message was the absolute truth.

The BS that is slung back & forth will someday ruin the forum we all enjoy. That scenario has already been proven

JMHO

how do you figure that the forum will die . this is a pool forum those that want to know the truth and learn will listen and those that dont want to wont. kinda like religion those that want to know the truth will hear and do .those that are here to socialize and chat will and give there oppinion and listen to others oppinions even know they have never been at the top or even close wont. cause they are not really serious and/or about going to heaven oops :D i mean striving to be a great player . they are content with where they are at. i myself wont settle for second best nor will some on this forum. the fact of the matter there are not many ways to get good . just like all roads dont lead to heaven. oops i mean all roads dont lead to rome. :D this forum is like a big poolroom though it is packed on sat. like the poolhall ,people come here for different reasons, even though all tables are packed .they all have different goal about pool from . some come to make friends ,pick up girls,guys, drink,eat ,bored, like the game as a recreation only .some come to get good but give up later for other intrests or becaeuse they are not willing to do what it takes to get good or the difficulty of he game. but you always see a few practicing going for the gold . its a tough game to be great at but if you have a passion for the game the its no longer a chore. by the way if you do not have a love and a passion for the game FIRST AND FORMOST YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. even though all top players and even right now b players and short stops know there is not much money in the game they stay because the love the game . THAT HAS TO BE THE REASON.... and some of you for sure i believe will make it. have a great day lads :D
 
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Colin Colenso said:
Aussies can win anything! :eek: :D

Except Rugby and more recently Cricket of course ;-)

Does anyone use an aiming system when they have a piss? I'm think I use the "feel" systme there also?

:D
 
TheOne said:
Does anyone use an aiming system when they have a piss? I'm think I use the "feel" systme there also?

:D

Only when I write my name in the snow.
 
TheOne said:
Except Rugby and more recently Cricket of course ;-)

Does anyone use an aiming system when they have a piss? I'm think I use the "feel" systme there also?

:D
I'd figure that and the point-aim-shoot method. :p
 
My take...

Im going to use this post as my hello to all who I have been reading posts from over the past several weeks. I work in front of a computer and when nothing is happening work wise, Im here, reading. I am 19, I have only been playing for 3-3 1/2 years solid. I am one of the better shots around my area, not the best by far, but the best are learning who I am. I have been referred to as a natural on a few different ocassions. Not claiming natural, just been referred to as one. For my take on the aiming system.

I look for any kind of edge I can get, thats why Im here reading all the time. But when Im playing Im not thinking about use this aiming system, or this is a feel shot. I just do it. Not to ripoff Nike there. Especially when Im focused. Maybe subconsciously I use an aiming system, but consciously I do not. I have read many posts and dont understand why there is something to argue about whose system is best. If Im way off base, let me know and my hello to you will be followed by a goodbye. just my small contribution. fwiw thanks your time.
 
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Colin Colenso said:
Aussies can win anything! :eek: :D

Really? Why don't you tell me a little about the NZ Allblacks and their rugby record against Aussie teams!

BTW, The Kiwi's, I understand, use the pivot and aim method to kick!!! :D

Later,
Bob

Travelled, fished and LOVED New Zealand!
 
csf914 said:
Im going to use this post as my hello to all who I have been reading posts from over the past several weeks. I work in front of a computer and when nothing is happening work wise, Im here, reading. I am 19, I have only been playing for 3-3 1/2 years solid. I am one of the better shots around my area, not the best by far, but the best are learning who I am. I have been referred to as a natural on a few different ocassions. Not claiming natural, just been referred to as one. For my take on the aiming system.

I look for any kind of edge I can get, thats why Im here reading all the time. But when Im playing Im not thinking about use this aiming system, or this is a feel shot. I just do it. Not to ripoff Nike there. Especially when Im focused. Maybe subconsiously I use an aiming system, but consiously I do not. I have read many posts and dont understand why there is something to argue about whose system is best. If Im way off base, let me know and my hello to you will be followed by a goodbye. just my small contribution. fwiw thanks your time.

Nope, you're not off at all. I totally agree. See my post above.
 
Pretty good thread. Far mkore understanding in this one than in the other aiming thread. Solid stuff from Jude, and I've got to give Drivermaker thumbs up for his apology. Even though, by his own admission, he crosses the line on occasion, he always has been and always will be one of my favorite posters on this forum.

PS Fred, my understanding of the meaning of the term backhand english here in New York is "aim and pivot" (sometmes just called "pivot", and not "swoop".
 
sjm said:
Pretty good thread. Far mkore understanding in this one than in the other aiming thread. Solid stuff from Jude, and I've got to give Drivermaker thumbs up for his apology. Even though, by his own admission, he crosses the line on occasion, he always has been and always will be one of my favorite posters on this forum.

PS Fred, my understanding of the meaning of the term backhand english here in New York is "aim and pivot" (sometmes just called "pivot", and not "swoop".

Hey now. All 3 of my favorites in one post.
All 3 of you guys bring more to this forum than you may realize and I definitely appreciate your insights.

Koop
 
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TheOne said:
Does anyone use an aiming system when they have a piss? I'm think I use the "feel" systme there also?


I use the Ghost Penis (except when I have to compensate for Squirt). The only problem is I always imagine it bigger than it really is :)
 
Fred Agnir said:
The aim and pivot form of squirt compensation is based on the standard collision dynamics and conservation of momentum. The squirt angle is based on (mostly) the amount of mass in effect during the collision between the cue and the cueball. If there's an offset (english) then the angle of departure will be known.

For every cuestick, there is a pivot fulcrum point such that no matter what offset, the cueball will be delivered down the same original aimline (until swerve takes over). So, if you pivot at that particular pivot fulcrum point one tip to the right or two tips to the right, the squirt angle will send the cueball down the original aimline.

The first description of this (at least known) is from a diagram from the 1800's, when billiard was actually discussed in physics terms. Since most of today's pool cues are built similar in the last 8 or so inches of the shaft, and by tests, the final so many inches are usually all that's involved in the collision, then most cue sticks today would have about the same "pivot point." For many cues, it coincides at roughly the bridge length (8-12").

For simplicity's sake, many of us just pivot at our bridge. Pivoting at the bridge to adjust for squirt is what Hal Houle calls "Backhand English."

For further reading, you can see:

Shepard On Squirt Check the Squirt Measurement section, which describes Aim and Pivot.

1839 diagram on pivoting for squirt compensation

Fred


Thank you for the scientific explanation of squirt. I've actually never seen that and I appreciate you sending it to me. However, how do you account for speed? You must admit that there is a "feel" element here that needs to be considered. There's "feel" when applying a stop-shot or draw. There's "feel" when following to the rail. It isn't terribly far-fetched to begin applying "feel" for other aspects of your game. Everyone has already allowed their sub-conscious to dictate their game to a certain extent. My point is to allow your sub-conscious to control more of it.
 
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