Should Cuemaker offer free repair on their own cue when the forearm broke in half?

Should Cuemaker offer free repair on their own cue when the forearm broke in half?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 31.3%
  • No

    Votes: 33 68.8%

  • Total voters
    48
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so from the PM, we already had an agreement and I will send out the cue, so why did you start accusing me wanting a FREE cue? Personal accusation never ends well.

Why start a thread about wanting the repair for free???

If you send me the cue I will mark it return to sender.

You call me and apologize for and I will fix it. 804 781 6650
 
Why start a thread about wanting the repair for free???

If you send me the cue I will mark it return to sender.

You call me and apologize for and I will fix it. 804 781 6650

I was NOT asking for free repair from you, we already had an agreement, I was simply asking for public opinion, what would most of cuemakers do?
Our deal was already done before the thread started.
I think whoever started the personal accusation should apologize first, don't you think?
 
I didnt accuse you of anything, thats why I said "I GUESS". It was my opinion as to what you want.
The simple fact that you started this thread would imply that this is what you think should happen.
 
There you go. I have nothing to hide.

Why even start the thread if you were happy to send it to me.

The thread is not about you, did I ever mention you?
I just wanted public opinions on what most Cuemaker would do? That was it.
 
There is no problem starting a Poll and asking for opinions.
Where the problem lies is that you didn't tell the entire truth.
You should have also mentioned that you were the third owner of the cue.

I asked you twice if you were the original owner and you either missed it or conveniently ignored the question.

Threads such as this rarely turn out well for the OP that tries to pull the wool over the other members eyes.

As you Sow, So shall you reap.
 
I didnt accuse you of anything.
The simple fact that you started this thread would imply that this is what you think should happen.

The thread is not about you, did I ever mention you?
I just wanted public opinions on what most Cuemaker would do? That was it.
 
What most cue makers would do depends on if the owner is honest or trying to pull a fast one or not.

The Poll means nothing if you exclude important info in it.
 
Who don't you post the whole PM instead of taking it out of context.

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I guess this is what you think IS classy.
Nice !
 
What most cue makers would do depends on if the owner is honest or trying to pull a fast one or not.

The Poll means nothing if you exclude important info in it.

Are you accusing me of pulling a fast one? Pulling against whom? Did I ever mention the cuemaker's name? Have I already had an agreement with the cuemakers before the thread?
What's with all the personal accusations.
It was a simple poll, if you don't like it, ignore it.
 
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Btw, I talked to a very famous Cuemaker in Dallas area and asked him to repair the cue. He told me that LP is not on the list of cues that he would touch., Wow, enough said.

Wow, enough said is right!!!

If I'm such a shitty cue maker, why send it to me for repair?

Like I said, due to the way you have acted in this thread, I will have to pass on repairing the cue.
 
Wow, enough said is right!!!

If I'm such a shitty cue maker, why send it to me for repair?

Like I said, due to the way you have acted in this thread, I will have to pass on repairing the cue.

"If I'm such a shitty cue maker, why send it to me for repair?"
Seriously????? :grin:
 
I didnt accuse you of anything, thats why I said "I GUESS". It was my opinion as to what you want.
The simple fact that you started this thread would imply that this is what you think should happen.

I GUESS that you are a piece of ****, a low ****.
 
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It can happen, because it has happened.

I'm NOT saying that in this case it DID happen, but two photos are not going to tell anyone everything they need to know.

BTW, did you know that crack propagation is a function of a power of the length of the crack? This means that a cue could have had a very short crack from the moment it was built and never had any noticeable symptoms until it broke in half. It is very possible.

This still isn't to say that it is the fault of the cuemaker. There could be minute inclusions in any piece of wood that could be at fault.

All I am saying is that for you or anyone to come on here with the evidence given and claim the cue was abused is ignorance.

dld



My experience tells me that the cue was broken due to lateral force, and that the entire story has not been told. My experience tells me that something happened to that cue that the player has done to other cues without mishap, but this time the cue broke, and now he's lost the money he paid for the cue & is trying to recover as much as he can, any way he can. All he can do is try pressuring the builder to accept responsibility, which is why he posted it in a public forum. Doubtful that he expected Lee to chime in, but rather hoped Lee would agree to fix the cue rather than chance having his name dragged through a negative thread for the world to see. This is my point of view, a cue maker who has spent over a decade dealing with this kind of crap from pool players. The OP asked for opinions & this is mine. Mine are based on experience & first hand knowledge.

What do you base your arguments on? How many cues like this have you been brought for repair? How many have you actually seen? And how many of those were due to anything but abuse or accident, honestly? If cue makers are not experts on cues, then who exactly would be? If another cue maker has another point of view & feels the break is due to something else, then I am open to hearing it. But for somebody out of the blue to just chime in with radical, imagined hypotheticals, i'm gonna have to believe it's just for the sake of argument more than anything. I don't know Lee. But I know cues, and I know the historical pattern of cause & affect with broken cues. There simply doesn't seem to be anything different with this situation than any other broken cue. The player broke the cue, whether accident or abuse, is sick about it and trying anything to recover his loss any way he can. My opinion, of course.

EDIT: My apologies if you read this the wrong way. I'm not accusing you of anything or questioning your intelligence. I just like to have a basic idea of whom i'm speaking with before taking anything they say seriously. I call a spade a spade. Yes there are hypothetical alternative answers for the break, which nobody would disagree. But chances are pretty bold that it is what it appears to be.
 
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My experience tells me that the cue was broken due to lateral force, and that the entire story has not been told. My experience tells me that something happened to that cue that the player has done to other cues without mishap, but this time the cue broke, and now he's lost the money he paid for the cue & is trying to recover as much as he can, any way he can. All he can do is try pressuring the builder to accept responsibility, which is why he posted it in a public forum. Doubtful that he expected Lee to chime in, but rather hoped Lee would agree to fix the cue rather than chance having his name dragged through a negative thread for the world to see. This is my point of view, a cue maker who has spent over a decade dealing with this kind of crap from pool players. The OP asked for opinions & this is mine. Mine are based on experience & first hand knowledge.

What do you base your arguments on? How many cues like this have you been brought for repair? How many have you actually seen? And how many of those were due to anything but abuse or accident, honestly? If cue makers are not experts on cues, then who exactly would be? If another cue maker has another point of view & feels the break is due to something else, then I am open to hearing it. But for somebody out of the blue to just chime in with radical, imagined hypotheticals, i'm gonna have to believe it's just for the sake of argument more than anything. I don't know Lee. But I know cues, and I know the historical pattern of cause & affect with broken cues. There simply doesn't seem to be anything different with this situation than any other broken cue. The player broke the cue, whether accident or abuse, is sick about it and trying anything to recover his loss any way he can. My opinion, of course.

I'm not recovering any loss, me and LP already had an agreement last week before I even started the thread and I was going to send out the cue.
This thread was not about LP, I never mentioned his name. It was about public opinions in general. Then LP got in and posted the pictures and started accusing me, and turned this into something personal.
Thanks for your input.
 
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personally i wouild call that abuse and not fix that.

ive seen this damage alot and even done it myself, happens during a stroke the player puts downward pressure on the shaft usually on a draw shot or breakshot.
 
I'm not recovering any loss, me and LP already had an agreement last week before I even started the thread and I was going to send out the cue.
This thread was not about LP, I never mentioned his name. It was about public opinions in general. Then LP got in and posted the pictures and start accusing me, and turned this into something personal.
Thanks for your input.

Please explain to me what I accused you of exactly?

Wanting a free repair?

YOU turned this into something personal by stating what other "FAMOUS" cuemakers think about my cues and drawing little middle finger pictures.

You are childish and I dont want to do business with you. It will be nothing but a headache for me and I'm way too busy to deal with this BS.

I didnt break the cue or build it improperly.
 
personally i wouild call that abuse and not fix that.

ive seen this damage alot and even done it myself, happens during a stroke the player puts downward pressure on the shaft usually on a draw shot or breakshot.

Maybe the newer cues should come with a user manual, No extreme draw or break shots, your cue may break in half and that's not covered due to abuse.
 
Please explain to me what I accused you of exactly?

Wanting a free repair?

YOU turned this into something personal by stating what other "FAMOUS" cuemakers think about my cues and drawing little middle finger pictures.

You are childish and I dont want to do business with you. It will be nothing but a headache for me and I'm way too busy to deal with this BS.

I didnt break the cue or build it improperly.

Bottom line... He was offered two solutions to the problem. He took the cheaper one. Now, I guess, he thought about it and now wants basically "a new cue for free. "

You accused me "he thought about it and now wants basically "a new cue for free. " We already had a deal, why stated it like that.
By using I GUESS, doesn't make it right.
 
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