should pro tournaments ban the jump cue?

skogstokig said:
lol

don't see why it wouldn't be legal. but it illustrates a good point and that is that, unless specified, a pool shark would try anything to get an advantage. when the IPT was launched they had forgot to write the one foot on the floor rule. didn't take long til they had pro players (won't name names but mosconi cup team members) climbing on all four on the tables

i bought the best jump cue i ever wielded some months ago, i can jump over close balls like never before. i still want them banned
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I remember the IPT reduced to a clown act. Had I been tournament director I would have slapped them with an unsportsmanlike, loss of game. Try it again this tournament and I'd give you a fling out the door!

I guess I encountered a jump rod at least forty, maybe fifty years ago. Saw a few after that but they were always pretty rare. People did ask me if they could use them and I generally let them. It was illegal to gamble on pool where I was at so you couldn't post. Cash discreetly passed hands after the game or set. If somebody objected too much to a jump rod it was going to be hard to collect winnings, plus I was fairly large and hairy, the guy in my avatar. Still large, still hairy, it doesn't have quite the same effect when all the hair is white!

Hu
 
I am curious what the acceptable limit is for jump cue "shortness"...?

Some of the newer ones I have seen are actually fairly long by normal "jump stick" standards.

I think I've seen 12" extensions for players... Does that mean a jumper that's ~44" long is ok...? Assuming a player can be as short as 56" without people complaining about those being too short as well....lol
 
skogstokig said:
do you think hu's hypothetical short cue would be legal? i.e. an illegal short jumper with just a thin shell butt filled with foam the last inches
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I think it's legal under the current equipment specifications. I suppose that if it became perceived as a problem the spec would be modified to say that the center of gravity must be at least 50% of the length from the tip or some such. I have heard that Pat Fleming did have a cue at one time that was largely balsa.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think it's legal under the current equipment specifications. I suppose that if it became perceived as a problem the spec would be modified to say that the center of gravity must be at least 50% of the length from the tip or some such. I have heard that Pat Fleming did have a cue at one time that was largely balsa.
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Having a good weight limit would also prevent a lot of jump cue issues, there is an upper limit I'm pretty sure why not a lower one? 16oz maybe and a 54" length should be enough of a variance.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Having a good weight limit would also prevent a lot of jump cue issues, there is an upper limit I'm pretty sure why not a lower one? 16oz maybe and a 54" length should be enough of a variance.
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I think 16oz would be a great lower limit. It was a long time ago but I believe I used a 16oz snooker cue. Can't imagine playing pool with something lighter than that. Not that you're suggesting that someone would play a game with their 16oz jumper...lol. Just saying that that weight should be decently below the weight of the regular playing cue, and thereby still be "different" enough to call it a jump specific cue.

Assuming the average length of a normal playing cue is 58". Should we also put a restriction of 4" max length of playing cue extensions..?
 
The_JV said:
Cute... Guess I'm just one of the unfortunate few that desperately needs the assistance of a short cue merely to hope to win a game or two...lol

I play in CCS (ACS) and CPA Masters. Never heard of the OPPL...
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OPPL is CCS. Where did you play Masters? I played in Halton and Peel. My team won last year in Halton, and still in the hunt to defend. My team in Peel won this year. CCS never allowed jumps before - guessing it's either a regional rule, or they just started this year, since I played the league last year, and they weren't allowed.
 
markjames said:
jump cues are silly and not interesting.

to me it’s like that trick shot artist-
cute but who car
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markjames said:
jump cues are silly and not interesting.

to me it’s like that trick shot artist-
cute but who cares?
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To you that may be the case and that's cool. However to the general public, trick shots are more interesting and appealing then regular pool.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
OPPL is CCS. Where did you play Masters? I played in Halton and Peel. My team won last year in Halton, and still in the hunt to defend. My team in Peel won this year. CCS never allowed jumps before - guessing it's either a regional rule, or they just started this year, since I played the league last year, and they weren't allowed.
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Oh neat... I honestly don't pay much attention to the details in league play. I didn't know OPPL and CCS were the same thing...lol. This is my second season playing CCS. I don't play in the summer session. My team won the covid abbreviated regular season that ended in spring. No play offs due to restrictions. I think we're the middle of the pack so far this fall. As far as jump stick rules... I asked last year during a game, and was given the green light. I would have to imagine that house rules would supersede whatever the general league rules say is ok.

I play Masters in Barrie. Want to say that's Simcoe, Gray and Muskoka region...? My team in that has won the last 4yrs. The league operator just uses the team captain's name on the APA website, but we go by "Canada State Champs" when down in Vegas.
 
The_JV said:
Oh neat... I honestly don't pay much attention to the details in league play. I didn't know OPPL and CCS were the same thing...lol. This is my second season playing CCS. I don't play in the summer session. My team won the covid abbreviated regular season that ended in spring. No play offs due to restrictions. I think we're the middle of the pack so far this fall. As far as jump stick rules... I asked last year during a game, and was given the green light. I would have to imagine that house rules would supersede whatever the general league rules say is ok.

I play Masters in Barrie. Want to say that's Simcoe, Gray and Muskoka region...? My team in that has won the last 4yrs. The league operator just uses the team captain's name on the APA website, but we go by "Canada State Champs" when down in Vegas.
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You must play with Ted H and Gord B out that way. Two guys I have played for years. I know your LO as well. Craig is an awesome guy. Tell him Shawn says hi.
 
Yes I do... Ted has really picked up his game in the last couple of years. Major improvements due to hard work. Gord lives for the competition of Masters. Which is really why i play in it as well. We have some really strong players in our region.

Graig is one of those LOs that goes out of his way for his players. I wish he'd update his Masters leader board a bit faster, but he has a lot going on....lol.

I venture down to the city every once in a while. Maybe we'll cross paths some day. I was playing out of Monte Carlos for a month or two.
 
briankenobi said:
To you that may be the case and that's cool. However to the general public, trick shots are more interesting and appealing then regular pool.
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But that would be out of the realm of tournaments. In trick shots you can use a dead duck to shoot a ball if you want. To non-pool players you are not shooting good pool unless you are banking, kicking or jumping over a ball, which is funny since the real good play is exactly the opposite of that.
 
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