shoulder movement

fasted71465

fasted71465

Fast Ed
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I am 37 and been playing since 14. I quit for the last 10 years and I have been back for 3 months. I have always had alot of shoulder movement in my stroke. I noticed I had a bad shoulder drop. I am now trying the pendalum stroke not moving elbo or shoulder with great results. I would like more reinforcement on my idea. It is helping me keep my upper body still.
 
Everytime you drop your shoulder, a puppy is killed.

Everytime you don't drop your shoulder, that hot blonde in the corner notices your studly technique.
 
pooltchr said:
You are on the right track. What more do you need to know?

Steve
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I have read alot about the elbo drop or not on here and I wanted to hear more good things about it and how I can do it without thinking about it. Right now I am just thinking about it on every shop trying to burn it in muscle memory. I have played and practiced more than many top players in my area and I want to improve instead of getting worse.
 
Get in touch with RandyG, Scott, or myself. Spend some time with any of us and we can get you rockin' and rollin' in no time!

Steve
 
fasted71465...You're definitely doing the right thing. There is no physical justification for dropping your elbow. The CB is gone off the tip way too fast for any movement like that to have an added benefit. Keep it simple...learn what your template, timing and finish length are, and practice them until you can do them in your sleep. Good luck. If you're interested, I will be down in Louisiana in a couple of months, and can show you this stuff. PM me if you're interested.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

fasted71465 said:
I am 37 and been playing since 14. I quit for the last 10 years and I have been back for 3 months. I have always had alot of shoulder movement in my stroke. I noticed I had a bad shoulder drop. I am now trying the pendalum stroke not moving elbo or shoulder with great results. I would like more reinforcement on my idea. It is helping me keep my upper body still.
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Scott Lee said:
fasted71465...You're definitely doing the right thing. There is no physical justification for dropping your elbow. The CB is gone off the tip way too fast for any movement like that to have an added benefit. Keep it simple...learn what your template, timing and finish length are, and practice them until you can do them in your sleep. Good luck. If you're interested, I will be down in Louisiana in a couple of months, and can show you this stuff. PM me if you're interested.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com[/QUOT ` The main thing is my shoulder would do all kinds of dips and flinches. I have aways noticed when I made myself stay down longer I played better. After I filmed myself I noticed I didn't come up till after I hit the c/b. The reason I played better is because I was making my body stall still including my shoulder so I started to experiment. I have always tried to find the cause of my many easy missed shots. I have tried alot of different things but I think I am on to something. I know that you can't make em all but I don't want to ever miss due to improper basics. Instead of worring why I miss so much I can concentrate on playing the game.
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fasted71465 said:
[ I don't want to ever miss due to improper basics. Instead of worring why I miss so much I can concentrate on playing the game.
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Funny. One thing I tell all my students is that when they complete our training course, they should never need to ask themselves how they missed a shot. They will KNOW what went wrong, and more importantly, what they need to do to correct the problem.

Steve
 
fasted71465 said:
I am now trying the pendalum stroke not moving elbo or shoulder with great results. I would like more reinforcement on my idea. It is helping me keep my upper body still.
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FYI, lot's of information and demonstrations related to the pendulum stroke, including lists of advantages and disadvantages, can be found here:

I personally think the pendulum stroke is the way to go for most people on most shots.

Regards,
Dave
 
pooltchr said:
Funny. One thing I tell all my students is that when they complete our training course, they should never need to ask themselves how they missed a shot. They will KNOW what went wrong, and more importantly, what they need to do to correct the problem.

Steve
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If I could have been able to do this I would be a world champion by now. At one point I was thinking why did I miss too much. I now know I have unwanted movement or a flinch I like to call. It is in my shoulder. I dip it or lunge it forward into the shot. As long as I keep my shoulers square and still I do very good. The pendelum stroke has helped me isolate unwanted movement. I would miss 95% long power shots and had trouble hitting rack center when breaking (too much shoulder motion.) I hope I am on the right track now. This is what caused me to quit pool before. I was like how can I play 4 hours every day and still miss so many balls. I am ready to give my left nut to play my full game. I have been in stroke and play very well. I could string 2 or 3 9 ball racks and hour later miss every other shot.
 
It may be obvious but going back to some basics and checking these things may be of help if you find your missing on power shots and sometimes a bit inconsistent:

1. Over exaggerate you aim by lining your shot up from 3 or 4 paces back with your cue arm and then step into the shot keeping in line. Do this for every shot even the simplest of shots.

2. When in cueing position make sure your foot on cue arm side is turned outwards at least 45°, this will give you more room to cue straight without your body getting in the way.

3. With a pendulum like stroke make sure you keep your elbow high as this will help with more consistent hit on the CB.

4. With a power shot you can drop your elbow but only after contact with the CB. Also at the end of a power shot or the break shot make sure the cue continues on a straight line even at the very end of the stroke.

5. Keep still!

Just a few key points that i have found most help, hope some of this maybe of interest to you.

Simon
 
dave...There are many advantages, and NO disadvantages to the pendulum stroke. It's the easiest, most accurate way to learn a repeatable setup and delivery.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

dr_dave said:
FYI, lot's of information and demonstrations related to the pendulum stroke, including lists of advantages and disadvantages, can be found here:

I personally think the pendulum stroke is the way to go for most people on most shots.

Regards,
Dave
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Simon...The elbow will only be high if the shooter has a very low stance, or his chin on the cue. The higher you stand, the elbow may even be below the shoulder, at contact. There is no need to drop your elbow for a power shot. Once the CB is gone from the tip, nothing can influence the outcome of the shot.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

contrakid said:
3. With a pendulum like stroke make sure you keep your elbow high as this will help with more consistent hit on the CB.

4. With a power shot you can drop your elbow but only after contact with the CB. Also at the end of a power shot or the break shot make sure the cue continues on a straight line even at the very end of the stroke.

Simon
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Scott Lee said:
dr_dave said:
FYI, lot's of information and demonstrations related to the pendulum stroke, including lists of advantages and disadvantages, can be found here:

I personally think the pendulum stroke is the way to go for most people on most shots.
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dave...There are many advantages, and NO disadvantages to the pendulum stroke. It's the easiest, most accurate way to learn a repeatable setup and delivery.
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Scott, did you check out my lists. I think you might agree with them. If you don't please let me know.

Regards,
Dave
 
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