Si Meng Chen

I know that Xiao-Fang Fu and Sha Sha Liu are coming to the US in late May or early June to compete with the men in tournaments. I'd like to see 17 year old wonder (Si Meng Chen) come over with them. Johnnyt

I watched them play as well. They are both excellent players, right there with the best women players anywhere. But Si Meng is in a class by herself. She is a COMPLETE player, with ALL the tools! What a pleasure it was to watch her play. I know she is only 17 and a new face in the pool scene, but she is something very special. There is no way to predict how far she will go and how long she will last, but I suspect she is totally committed to the game.

Obviously I'm going out on a limb here, giving such accolades to someone so new. But I can only say I have never before seen any woman who possessed such skills, at any age! Right now, she is the most talented female pool player I've ever seen. PERIOD! I feel about her much the same as I did when I saw Wu Cha Ching play, and watched Yang gamble with Orcullo. Two men a notch above the rest of the world.
 
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I know some girls are capable of perfect pool occasionally.

But put them against better opponents (yes, top guys) and you will see that they will not play perfect any more. There will be far more pressure.

People forget why Allison started to play pool in the first place. She couldn't beat any of the better guys back in Britain and there was no real money on women circuit.
 
Hello Jay and family.

I just watched this young lady (only 17) play for the first time this week in the Philippine Open. She won easily over a very strong field, soundly defeating Kelly Fisher 9-3 in the finals.

Okay here you go - She is already the best women player of all time! Bar none! The best I ever saw. Yes, better than Balukas or Allison. Will she go on to have a long career like Allison and win as many championships? Only time will tell. She is the Tiger Woods of women's pool, a notch above the competition. Just as Allison revolutionized the game 15 years ago, Ms. Chen will do likewise. There are already many very good women players, but none with her skills. They will have to elevate their games to keep pace with her.

In the past, when I watched the top women play against men, I always felt like I was watching a very good woman player compete. Watching Si Meng play there is no sense of a woman playing well, only of watching an excellent player at the table. She has transcended sex and all its implications with her remarkable abilities. No longer do I find myself saying this is a woman who plays like a man (Jasmin for instance). With Si Meng I see only a great pool player playing the game at a very high level. Once again she is a notch above the rest. Her game is more like a top male player, and I mean TOP male player, ala Ralf, Mika or Shane. Yes, she's that good.

This is one woman who is not an underdog against anyone! She has all the tools - great cue ball control, pin point shot making, a smooth powerful stroke and the intensity and focus to win at all times (P.S. She doesn't miss either!). How she would fare against the top men I do not know. There is a psychological factor here that remains to be seen. Based on ability alone, I would place her well within the top 50 pool players on the planet right now. I couldn't say that about any other women before.

Her knowledge of the game is well advanced for a player her age, and I suspect she has been at it for more than ten years already. I see a fluidity in her stroke that only comes after hitting millions of balls. I have learned that none other then Wu Cha Ching has spent time tutoring her in China and it shows. She plays more like a 27 year old who has been competing a long time. I did see one or two spots where she may have overlooked a shot on a safety option, but that's about the only hole I saw in her game. These little nuances she will pick up quickly I'm sure. She shared in an interview that she was inspired watching Allison play when she was 4 or 5. I have a feeling, like other great Chinese athletes, she became dedicated to pool at a very young age. I suspect this is her full time job and has been for a long time.

By the way, the Chinese women (both from the mainland and Chinese Taipai) are quickly becoming the dominant force in women's pool. So many good players coming out of these two regions. I KNEW it was only a matter of time before there was a woman who had all the skills of any man. Well, there is one now and her name is Si Meng Chen. She is the first women who I can confidently say has the skills to win a major open tournament, like the U.S. Open or the World Championships. With this young lady, all the old stereotypes are reversed. Most of the men players will be the underdogs playing against her! Only the very best men will have a chance when they face this terrific young pool player.

Very good info and post. I am going to keep an eye on this young lady. Thanks Jay. Only 17 years old!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Eric >wondering why John Barton is allowed to side step being banned

No, that is Karen, John's wife. She only seems to come around every once in a while.:p

Seriously, I find it kind of dorky to use an account in your wife's name after someone gets banned......for the 347th time.


Ross>never have been banned and never plan on it. I just don't argue enough on here. If I did get banned, I would start an account in my dog's name.:)

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I just watched this young lady (only 17) play for the first time this week in the Philippine Open.
Forget about the subject women vs. men for a minute. Is she the best 17 year old (man or woman) you've ever seen in your life? From the accolades you gave, it's hard to imagine a stronger teenager in the history of the game. Maybe Wu winning the WPC at 16 is just about it.
 
Touché!

Actually, I wrote and asked her, and she replied 沒有

Mr. Barton should be able to translate.


EW
That was a simple, "No"

I didn't have the pleasure to see Si Meng play. But if she's as good as Jay says, amazing. I had a small favorite in this Tournament, Liu Shasha. This after I saw the final against karen Corr 2009. I've been waiting for her big break and a real world wide topranked player.

I also wonder when the rest of the world will create same oppertunities for kids to practise a sport. For good or bad. Is it a factory?
 
Jay- Thanks for the report. Sounds like no doubt we'll be hearing more about this young lady. Any vids on youtube? I haven't checked yet.

Hope to catch up with you soon.

Take care,
Abe - i4pool
 
and as far as I know there's no other government program in other countries.


India has the governament programs, so as many communist - block countries.In communist countires the governaments diverts the attention and focus of it`s people away from politics by making the people engage in sports activities.That way those governaments can continue their agenda/rule unopposed.:cool:
 
No, that is Karen, John's wife. She only seems to come around every once in a while.:p

Seriously, I find it kind of dorky to use an account in your wife's name after someone gets banned......for the 347th time.


Ross>never have been banned and never plan on it. I just don't argue enough on here. If I did get banned, I would start an account in my dog's name.:)

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It is pretty sad.

Did I mention that I am a Mormon, with 15 wives?


Eric >has 15 other accounts to use if I get banned
 
India has the governament programs, so as many communist - block countries.In communist countires the governaments diverts the attention and focus of it`s people away from politics by making the people engage in sports activities.That way those governaments can continue their agenda/rule unopposed.:cool:

A little behind on the geo political stuff vagabond.
 
Si Meng is a product of the fabled government sponsored training. When she won in Shanghai over Allison in the finals the minister of sport in that area made a point of telling everyone that the Ministry's investment in pool training had paid off. Not all Chinese players enjoy government sponsored training camps.

Wu Jing who got in the top six plays in Xiamen and as far as we know trains in the club she is house pro in.

Liu Sha Sha who got in the top four in this event put a six pack on Karen Corr in the 2010 World 9 ball Championships when she was down 5:1 against Corr.

The discipline that the Chinese show, men and women is at a very very very high level. rarely do you see serious players with floppy strokes and lazy attitudes. This country is benefiting from being at a crossroads for pool and snooker with world class players in both disciplines for the youth to look up to. They have the influence of the Taiwanese for pool and of the British for Snooker.

If there were a women's tour worth dominating then the Chinese are forming their own great wall of talent to dominate it. They don't see pool as a sport that has to be dominated by men and the women here work very hard to insure that they have every skill on the table that any man has. The aforementioned Wu Jing regularly wins citywide events here in Xiamen against very tough male competition. In a recent countrywide event she took 4th place, only losing to Fong Pang Chao.

Also in China for some reason it seems as if the sponsors are more keen to support the women's game. That could be some social thing or sexist thing but right now a lot of money is flowing into the women's game in China.

As one who has recently been threatened on and off this forum by John Barton with being punched in the face, kicked in the nutz and being confronted at my home several times I take it rather personal that's he's allowed to overtly laugh at the banning process by using his wife's login.
 
As one who has recently been threatened on and off this forum by John Barton with being punched in the face, kicked in the nutz and being confronted at my home several times I take it rather personal that's he's allowed to overtly laugh at the banning process by using his wife's login.

Yes and when someone shuts his big mouth with a nice right cross he will be the first to speed-dial L-A-W-Y-E-R. One thing good about the old days was if you had a big mouth someone would close it for you in a NY minute, and if they got a mouth-piece the same thing would happen to him. At least in my neck of the woods anyhow. Johnnyt
 
In two weeks we will be back in Shanghai for the second major event in China this year. We will try to interview Si Meng and find out whether or not she is a product of some government funded training camp or privately trained. It will be our pleasure to report back to the group what's going on in the China pool scene.
 
Forget about the subject women vs. men for a minute. Is she the best 17 year old (man or woman) you've ever seen in your life? From the accolades you gave, it's hard to imagine a stronger teenager in the history of the game. Maybe Wu winning the WPC at 16 is just about it.

Wu's win at the 9 Ball Worlds when it was a race to 17, being down 16-11, winning the safety battle and then running 5 racks and out on tough equipment in front of a packed audience and millions of viewers as it was broadcast live has to count for the greatest victory by a teenager in the history of pocket billiards.

Chen Si Meng is good but she is not in Wu Chia Ching's league yet. When Allison lost to her earlier this year it was half because Allison made too many uncharacteristic errors.

The comparable feat is Liu Sha Sha's six pack against Karen Corr in the 2009 World Championships. Down 5;1 in a race to nine she unleashed a legitimate six pack from the break to go ahead 7:5 and ultimately won it 9:7 or 9:6.
 
Wu's win at the 9 Ball Worlds when it was a race to 17, being down 16-11, winning the safety battle and then running 5 racks and out on tough equipment in front of a packed audience and millions of viewers as it was broadcast live has to count for the greatest victory by a teenager in the history of pocket billiards.

Yep, that's the greatest clutch performance by a teenager I've ever seen.
 
In two weeks we will be back in Shanghai for the second major event in China this year. We will try to interview Si Meng and find out whether or not she is a product of some government funded training camp or privately trained. It will be our pleasure to report back to the group what's going on in the China pool scene.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
JoeyA
 
not trying to be a spelling police but her name is actually Si Ming Chen. "Meng" is totally a different character in Chinese:wink:


I just watched this young lady (only 17) play for the first time this week in the Philippine Open. She won easily over a very strong field, soundly defeating Kelly Fisher 9-3 in the finals.

Okay here you go - She is already the best women player of all time! Bar none! The best I ever saw. Yes, better than Balukas or Allison. Will she go on to have a long career like Allison and win as many championships? Only time will tell. She is the Tiger Woods of women's pool, a notch above the competition. Just as Allison revolutionized the game 15 years ago, Ms. Chen will do likewise. There are already many very good women players, but none with her skills. They will have to elevate their games to keep pace with her.

In the past, when I watched the top women play against men, I always felt like I was watching a very good woman player compete. Watching Si Meng play there is no sense of a woman playing well, only of watching an excellent player at the table. She has transcended sex and all its implications with her remarkable abilities. No longer do I find myself saying this is a woman who plays like a man (Jasmin for instance). With Si Meng I see only a great pool player playing the game at a very high level. Once again she is a notch above the rest. Her game is more like a top male player, and I mean TOP male player, ala Ralf, Mika or Shane. Yes, she's that good.

This is one woman who is not an underdog against anyone! She has all the tools - great cue ball control, pin point shot making, a smooth powerful stroke and the intensity and focus to win at all times (P.S. She doesn't miss either!). How she would fare against the top men I do not know. There is a psychological factor here that remains to be seen. Based on ability alone, I would place her well within the top 50 pool players on the planet right now. I couldn't say that about any other women before.

Her knowledge of the game is well advanced for a player her age, and I suspect she has been at it for more than ten years already. I see a fluidity in her stroke that only comes after hitting millions of balls. I have learned that none other then Wu Cha Ching has spent time tutoring her in China and it shows. She plays more like a 27 year old who has been competing a long time. I did see one or two spots where she may have overlooked a shot on a safety option, but that's about the only hole I saw in her game. These little nuances she will pick up quickly I'm sure. She shared in an interview that she was inspired watching Allison play when she was 4 or 5. I have a feeling, like other great Chinese athletes, she became dedicated to pool at a very young age. I suspect this is her full time job and has been for a long time.

By the way, the Chinese women (both from the mainland and Chinese Taipai) are quickly becoming the dominant force in women's pool. So many good players coming out of these two regions. I KNEW it was only a matter of time before there was a woman who had all the skills of any man. Well, there is one now and her name is Si Meng Chen. She is the first women who I can confidently say has the skills to win a major open tournament, like the U.S. Open or the World Championships. With this young lady, all the old stereotypes are reversed. Most of the men players will be the underdogs playing against her! Only the very best men will have a chance when they face this terrific young pool player.
 
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not trying to be a spelling police but her name is actually Si Ming Chen. "Meng" is totally a different character in Chinese:wink:[/QU

That is what I thought but I've seen it spelled 3 different ways in the last week. Thanks for clearing that up. Johnnyt
 
Forget about the subject women vs. men for a minute. Is she the best 17 year old (man or woman) you've ever seen in your life? From the accolades you gave, it's hard to imagine a stronger teenager in the history of the game. Maybe Wu winning the WPC at 16 is just about it.


The second best after Wu when he won the World Championship at 16. But as good as any other teen I've seen play, including Ko Pen Yi of Taiwan. I've seen her name spelled both ways, not sure which one is correct. I spoke to her briefly after she won. She was very gracious with me, even though she had no idea who I was other than a TV guy. I asked her if she understood english and she gestured with her fingers a little bit. I told her how much I enjoyed watching her play, and that she was the best women player I've ever seen. She smiled at me and perhaps she understood. I'm not sure.

Somehow I don't think it will phase her to play a man. I understand she practices with the best men players in China already. We should find out soon. My God, how I would love to see her play in a major in the USA. All I can say is "Watch out guys!"
 
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