Opinions are fine, but you should follow your own advice and not make presumptions about people you don't know.
Side bets in APA
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The APA is set up for no gambling. If you want to gamble go someplace else...it is just that simple. I gamble a little and do no mind if others do. It is like taking a beer to church...some prefer that you don't.
Is it actually gambling if you win 100% of the time ?
Well, YEAH. Especially if your opponent was betting you wouldn't. Duh!!!
Many...a lot play other venues and are quite successful.
The problem is what he is saying is half true. There are MANY APA 9-ball players that dont know you win the game when you sink the 9 in real play. And yes I've met them. Maybe its not half, but its a considerable number.
APA does do a good job of promulgating BIH rules 8-ball though. If it wasnt for APA most of the players at the local bar would still be playing behind the line garbage.
Of course
The bigger the “No Gambling” sign is behind the ball counter where the house man stands the better action joint your in!! That’s what we used to look for. Was a great metric to go by.
If a joint didn’t have a “no gambling” sign, I’d walk a lap around and leave. As they were banger/drinker joints.
“No Gambling” joints are the best spots for action.
That’s a guarantee
Nobody ever put a gun to my head to make a bet. Nor have I put a gun to anyones head to force them to bet.
But I’ll be damned if I can’t ask someone to bet & settle up later.
Being discrete is part of gambling.
Putting business in the street about gambling or gambling debts or whoring out bet amounts for attention is bad form and is far to common these days.
If it’s consensual action. Gtfo now with the “you can’t bet noise”. I’m in action if I want to be. Just watch me-you won’t even know it. Discreet action
That’s my heritage, culture and part of who I am. And I’m not a degen gambler. I love action and if it’s worth doing-it’s worth doing for money.
Tails,
Fatboy
But I’ll be damned if I can’t ask someone to bet & settle up later.
Being discrete is part of gambling.
Putting business in the street about gambling or gambling debts or whoring out bet amounts for attention is bad form and is far to common these days.
If it’s consensual action. Gtfo now with the “you can’t bet noise”. I’m in action if I want to be. Just watch me-you won’t even know it. Discreet action
That’s my heritage, culture and part of who I am. And I’m not a degen gambler. I love action and if it’s worth doing-it’s worth doing for money.
Tails,
Fatboy
I know the rules to 9 ball. It's very presumptuous of you to assume that all APA players are ignorant or bad players. If you truly believe that the APA does nothing for pool you are very misinformed. It provides an avenue for millions of people to play competitively against people of similar skill set. These folks would otherwise not be playing pool at all nor would they be spending money on the pool industry. The last thing the pool world needs is to scare of a subset of individuals that are happy to spend their time and money supporting billiards.
what? are you demented? What condescending comments? I play with league players all the time, great people. BUT,,,,,, APA sucks. I have a right to that opinion,,,CHAMP
Did you miss your Ritalin today? For Christs sake, I never said any of this crap you're harping on? OK, you know what, I give,,,,,,,,, APA is the best thing that ever happened to pool,,,,,,,,,,, for everyone EXCEPT ME, to ME,,,,,,,,,,,,APA SUCKS. I have nothing against APA players, but the APA itself,,,,,,,,
Folks that make blanket statements about APA and those who play it are...tiresome. No, you're not supposed to gamble while playing APA, and as pointed out, its rule number 1. That doesn't mean that people don't gamble at league. Or that people who play APA don't gamble when they aren't playing league. Or that they don't know "the rules of 9-ball", when in fact there are many different rules rulesets for most pool games.
There are many people in our APA division who gamble. Just not during league, or if they do gamble at league, they keep it low key. I see them gambling after league is done for the night, and on non league nights. And guess what, on non league nights, they are playing "real" 9-ball...
You know what was really annoying? "That guy", a higher skilled player (a SL8) who would hang around a league night, even tho he wasn't playing league actively. Watching people. Then sliding up to lower level players, SL4s, and asking them to gamble. They didn't go looking for someone to gamble with, they were obviously league players. Why doesn't this big shot "gambler" ever ask someone his speed to gamble? Annoys the crap out of me. I'm not against gambling, just stop trying to take advantage of people who have no business gambling...big player...sheesh.
There are many people in our APA division who gamble. Just not during league, or if they do gamble at league, they keep it low key. I see them gambling after league is done for the night, and on non league nights. And guess what, on non league nights, they are playing "real" 9-ball...
You know what was really annoying? "That guy", a higher skilled player (a SL8) who would hang around a league night, even tho he wasn't playing league actively. Watching people. Then sliding up to lower level players, SL4s, and asking them to gamble. They didn't go looking for someone to gamble with, they were obviously league players. Why doesn't this big shot "gambler" ever ask someone his speed to gamble? Annoys the crap out of me. I'm not against gambling, just stop trying to take advantage of people who have no business gambling...big player...sheesh.
What rules.?
9 on the spot ?
1 on the spot.?
Break box ?
No break box.?
Jump cues ?
No jump cues?
I could go on but hope you get the idea .
Different rules for matchroom...predator. World 9 ball... U. S. open. And you want to rag an amatuer league for a different set of riils.?
The point is because of APA there are many players who think 'real' 9-ball is played by ball count, and think it must ALWAYS be played this way and on top of that ALWAYS handicapped (even if playing for nothing): and they don't even know what a race in 9-ball is. I've met them at the local corner bar where they play APA (and I rarely frequent). And no I'm not there to hustle them or gamble just to play a little bit because the nearest hall is a half hour away. I see where you are coming from about higher level players watching APA just to set up a unbalanced money match/game though. I know of a player around here that would do that sort of thing and I don't like him. Generally I stay away from the APA players because they are not real competition.
...I'm gonna bit my lip.Not the patches!
OK, I admit, it’s fun to make fun of the APA, but honestly they do a hell of a lot for the game and provide an opportunity that might not exist for a lot of people to play some level of competitive pool.
Did you sew your patches to make a vest?
Yes...I'm okay with people that don't gamble, because thankfully there's people that do.
Pool has been and always will be a money game because that's what makes it most interesting and rewarding.
At the end of the day the leagues put cues in peoples hands. That I respect. And they bring lots of people into pool. All commendable stuff.
While I don’t like all the rules, I won’t knock the leagues because they do more good than harm for the overall pool economy.
But please encourage gambling, we need new fish! (Had to be said sorry)
Best
Fatboy<——-biggest fish of all
While I don’t like all the rules, I won’t knock the leagues because they do more good than harm for the overall pool economy.
But please encourage gambling, we need new fish! (Had to be said sorry)
Best
Fatboy<——-biggest fish of all
Whenever the topic of apa comes up it seems to be a recurring theme on here for a certain demographic of pool players to ....well for lack of a better description to bash rhe hell out of the organization and all its members.
Its aleays the same old reasons ...rules...handicaps...level of play....nits that won't bet water is wet.etc...etc..
Well actually there is some truth to all the above. In an organization as large as apa you will encounter some players such as you have described .
My issue with these types of threads is the assumption that all players and issues fit the negative descriptions you describe.
Nothimg could be farther ffom the truth.
Lets take rules. Particularly 9 ball since its been brought up several times in this thread. I am mot going to repeat all that was said in my previous post regarding various 9 ball rules that seem to be all over the spectrum but will add winner break or alternate break to thr myriad adaptation of rules in pro tournamemts. So i ask this question...why all the bashimg on apa rules when the rules are all over the place at the pro level.?
Handicaps. There is not a man on this forum thats gonna gamble straight up with a players thats obviously better than him...unless he is mad at his money. The first time they get their azz handed to them they say...lets adjust the spot...thats a handicap in case you werr not aware. Hell even pros have spotted other pros in a gamblimg match. So i ssk this question...why all the bashing on amateur players playkng in a handicapped league.
Level of play. Sure apa is made yp of countless bangers or wives or girlfriends who barely know which end to shoot with. But there are also an untold number of high level players all the way up to semi pro playing apa. Yall familier with brian parks. ? I had a former team mate who was so good the room owner offered to sponsor him at white diamonds...and no the room owner is not the type to waste his money. This guy was that damn good.
Gambling. Its not prevalent in this area but i have seen players gamble. Saw a race to 7 9 ball on the 9 footers for a 1.000 one time. Know a few guys who like to play 20.00 to 50.00 sets.
Had one guy that when his captain throwed him somebody had to go drag him ffom a gamblimg match on the 9 footers every time. He was always gamblimg while waiting for his match.
I am sure thst what i have encountered happens all across the country and why i take issue witg people lumping all apa players in aa negative way.
Its aleays the same old reasons ...rules...handicaps...level of play....nits that won't bet water is wet.etc...etc..
Well actually there is some truth to all the above. In an organization as large as apa you will encounter some players such as you have described .
My issue with these types of threads is the assumption that all players and issues fit the negative descriptions you describe.
Nothimg could be farther ffom the truth.
Lets take rules. Particularly 9 ball since its been brought up several times in this thread. I am mot going to repeat all that was said in my previous post regarding various 9 ball rules that seem to be all over the spectrum but will add winner break or alternate break to thr myriad adaptation of rules in pro tournamemts. So i ask this question...why all the bashimg on apa rules when the rules are all over the place at the pro level.?
Handicaps. There is not a man on this forum thats gonna gamble straight up with a players thats obviously better than him...unless he is mad at his money. The first time they get their azz handed to them they say...lets adjust the spot...thats a handicap in case you werr not aware. Hell even pros have spotted other pros in a gamblimg match. So i ssk this question...why all the bashing on amateur players playkng in a handicapped league.
Level of play. Sure apa is made yp of countless bangers or wives or girlfriends who barely know which end to shoot with. But there are also an untold number of high level players all the way up to semi pro playing apa. Yall familier with brian parks. ? I had a former team mate who was so good the room owner offered to sponsor him at white diamonds...and no the room owner is not the type to waste his money. This guy was that damn good.
Gambling. Its not prevalent in this area but i have seen players gamble. Saw a race to 7 9 ball on the 9 footers for a 1.000 one time. Know a few guys who like to play 20.00 to 50.00 sets.
Had one guy that when his captain throwed him somebody had to go drag him ffom a gamblimg match on the 9 footers every time. He was always gamblimg while waiting for his match.
I am sure thst what i have encountered happens all across the country and why i take issue witg people lumping all apa players in aa negative way.