Sidebetting Gratuities
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macguy said:
A few years ago there was a real good young boy from Col. Oh. who moved to Fla. He started playing a guy down there, one-hole for a thousand a game every Sunday. He was a much better player than the man who had so much money and every week the spot got a little better but he was still just coasting and winning 5 or 6,000.00 a week. He called me in Col. and said that there were a number of rail-birds who were side-betting with the man he was playing and that they were winning more than him and had never ever tossed him a pork chop. He asked what I would do in his place. I told him to dump a few games (which he was already doing to keep the guy coming back) and to make it very evident. I told him that when the guy made a half-way decent shot but still needed 2 or 3 more balls to just take his cue and rake the balls down the table and say that if he made that shot he would get out anyway. He told me that after doing that a couple times the side-betting came to a halt.
By the way, this young boy, who is back in Col., is about 26 or 27 now and a real good road player and seldom plays in tournaments but got into a FL. Tour tournament 6 or 8 weeks ago and when it was over matched up with this same gentleman playing 9-ball and won 70,000.00 off him in one evening playing two sets: 10 ahead for 20,000.00 and 15 ahead for 50,000.00 giving up the break, ball in hand after the break and the wild 8.
He's a real sleeper.
Dick
Hal said:
There are always extenuating circumstances. From my perspective, if I'm making a small sweat bet on a match, with a friend who's totally unrelated to the principals, I do not feel obligated to tip the player, especially if he doesn't even know about the side bet. Though I still often show my appreciation, in one way or another. I've taken a lot of pool players to dinner after winning a few bucks sidebetting on their tournament matches. It's an entirely different situation, if you're betting with someone who's financially involved in the match. If you're betting at money the player himself has a chance of winning, I feel a definate obligation, but the rate would vary according to many factors, and not be set on a certain percentage. Some of the factors that would influence the size of my tip would include... Recent track record _for me_... If I'd been winning by betting on the particular player, I'd probably be more generous than if I was stuck a bunch of money betting on him in recent past. If a player had what I considered "the NUTS" and I'd not really been at much risk of losing I'd be more generous. If I'd obviously cut in to the amount he'd have won if I'd not been side betting, I'd feel I owed him more... If the player I'd bet on turned out to be an asshole
and then came up to me afterwards with his hand out I might tell him to take a hike!
There are also some great players who I won't bet on, under any circumstance, because of their history of "business"!
just more hot air!
Sherm
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
cuesmith said:
Sherm - I wasn't DOING BUSINESS - I was just TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS!
TY & GL
How much to give?
I believe the appropriate amount to give the shooter is zero, unless you both had a deal going in?
I believe the appropriate amount to give the shooter is zero, unless you both had a deal going in?
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Fred Agnir
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junior718 said:
Some people call this a "gapper" or a "jelly roll"
My question is, if I'm betting and getting paid in Benjamins, and I want to give the guy I'm betting on a gapper, should I ask for change???
Fred
> I've never been really big on sidebetting,unless I know both players/backers well,and know nothing funny is going to happen. On the other hand,the very last time I bought a player other than myself in a calcutta,I went in with a friend and bought Mike Massey,who naturally did not want half due to his religious beliefs. He came back thru the losers bracket and won,and I'll be damned if he didn't refuse a 300 dollar jelly roll,said he can have no part of gambling. Someone mentioned Smokey Bartlett,how is he doing? He came thru my area 8-9 years ago,and even though he won a few hundred off me,he made several thou for me and my crew,and taught all of us a bunch of things. Tommy D.
OldHasBeen said:
Tom,
I understand, that comment wasn't directed at you. I'm refering to players who you just never know when they're on the square or not. In fact the guy I consider to be the second best one pocket player in the world, may be the most treacherous of them all. If he was playing a blind nun in a wheel chair, I would not bet on the match, but I would watch, just in case he's trying!
just more hot air!
Sherm
Backing is totally different then betting on the rail. If I am making bets off to the side I am not obliged to give my winning horse anything, I am liable to buy them a drink for a strong showing, but they will always have their own action going on the match and their own winnings if I end up taking the $$$. Betting on the rail is not usually much better then a 50/50 propostion so if you start giving your horse 20% of your winnings you might as well go and play roulette, you have better odds.
nah...no change. lol but giving a gapper to someone who is betting their own money isn't needed. if you own the person in a calcutta or are backing then it is a different story. you dont owe anyone anything when your are the one who taking the risk. you bet your money and you collect your money. shooter is playing regardless. otherwise people owe me mad money!! lol and i been missing out on some "jelly rolls"!!!
Fred Agnir said:
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XMit
Boomity Boom!!!
Although i must confess I really know NOTHING about what you all speak, (billiards action), I know that a backer for a card shill usually pay's his guy by the amount won, but doesn't really let the shill in on how much he's wagering.
So the shill could win the backer for example, 5K he might pay the shill 500.
I guess this could apply to what you all are discussing here, espescially if the bets get REAL big.
I wouldn't think a rail bettor would owe the horse anything unless he really feels he pulled out a tough one. I would think most of the time the horse knows nothing of the betting.
(Unless you get busted by some OldHasBeen)
So the shill could win the backer for example, 5K he might pay the shill 500.
I guess this could apply to what you all are discussing here, espescially if the bets get REAL big.
I wouldn't think a rail bettor would owe the horse anything unless he really feels he pulled out a tough one. I would think most of the time the horse knows nothing of the betting.
(Unless you get busted by some OldHasBeen)
I'm in a bar,playing a guy for a few bucks I know the guy and I usually get him for a little.This night we're playing even for quite a while.A buddy of mine comes in (he's flat broke)but plays a couple notches above me.I cash my payroll check and put my buddy onto 1st guy.buddy gets a few hundred ahead,I have to leave to work the next day so we split winnings.The next eve. I see my buddy? & asked how he came out.Turns out he won a few hundred more& says too bad you had to leave.I was pissed.Right or wrong??either way no more dealing with EX-Buddy
The Lady Killer
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OldHasBeen said:
Very good story,
I was in a bar in Indiana many years ago.
Two guys are playing for $100.00 a game. This OTHER GUY not playing, got the one player that was losing to side bet $50.00 a game. Stopping winning player from getting the bet raised himself.
The winning player went over and ask the side-better if he was going to give a % to him, for this was a given that the player asking for the % was going to win.
Side-better said NO....and was around $500.00 up.
Needless to say the winning play lost the next 10 games in a roll got the $500.00 back in the game and GOT SIDE-BETTER off the free ride.
Winning player and player now got the bet up to $150.00 a game.
No free rides for side-better when it take money out of the game.
People should be rewarded for their work. Winning players should profit.
True story winning player was my hubby.
dee
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
Jelly comes in three flavors;
Razberry-10% cause you know you should but you didnt win a bunch
Grape-15% cause you know you should and won a lil more
Strawberry-20% cause you know you should and won a bunch
Razberry-10% cause you know you should but you didnt win a bunch
Grape-15% cause you know you should and won a lil more
Strawberry-20% cause you know you should and won a bunch
