boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
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I agree with Bob....half is half.....Now is it half full???.....or half thin?????.......
Personally...I think unless you are into physics....the term "contact point" can be thrown out of pretty much any pool related conversation and the terms "aim or alignment points" are all that is needed......Especially for the 90% that can't hit where they aim.
Now....what about this 1/2 and/or 1 tip of english wording
Your experience is helpful to readers here, however, most pool shooters lock in bad habits with HAMB, and could stand a lesson or two in fundamentals--including aim instruction.
For an example, yet again in my most recent lesson for a new student, I taught to cut all basic shots toward pocket center, rather than cheating the pocket to a degree proportionate to the cut angle.
Have you got seventy-five cents and a writing tool? Draw a line. Center a quarter on that line. Now on one side align a second quarter for a half ball aim using the marked line as the shot line. Now on the other side set up a quarter to give a half ball hit.
The two sides won't be anywhere close to the same.
Here is what I have to conclude from what you are saying:
A half ball aim gives a half ball hit. A half ball hit gives a thirty degree angle.
You are saying the terminology is unique to pool. Indeed it is, very unique! Would you present this in a design engineering meeting concerning something besides pool? I know better because you are essentially saying that thirty degrees and forty-five degrees are equal. If we go in the other direction you are saying that zero degrees and thirty degrees are equal. Either one of those is going to be a hard sale in a group of designers and engineers.
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Hu
I stand by what I said, and I'm sure engineers would easily understand the concept. They know what the arccosine of 0.5 is.
Your experience is helpful to readers here, however, most pool shooters lock in bad habits with HAMB, and could stand a lesson or two in fundamentals--including aim instruction.
For an example, yet again in my most recent lesson for a new student, I taught to cut all basic shots toward pocket center, rather than cheating the pocket to a degree proportionate to the cut angle.
Oh well, while I am kicking sacred cows, a question for you. Do you teach students to aim for pocket center or center of the area that will pocket the ball? There is usually more of one inside cushion available than the other and it is helpful to know how far before the pocket a ball can hit a cushion and still go in the pocket. The center of all of these things is the optimum point to aim for.
My game jumped considerably when I figured out to aim for the best spot to make a ball rather than the visible center of the pocket or center of the pocket back when I was just a pup. Running down the rails of the old ten footers got a bunch easier when I realized I didn't need to literally run down the cushion or touch the inside point going in a pocket also.
No books that I knew of, no instructors, no internet. It was a different world when we had to learn everything on our own or maybe have a mentor that might give out one or two tidbits of information a session like an old shortstop did for me. Of course I spent over forty hours a week in his old pool hall and brought in a different crowd than the usual pool hall regulars so I paid pretty highly for the information he gave.
Bob, I drew you a picture. For some reason my phone ain't in the mood to talk to the computer after recent upgrades to both. I used to be big on sinning and did some cosinning too. I didn't know how to hypotenuse or I would have given it a try!
I do think you are the one redefining the meaning of words or going by misstatements in pool books from people with little education. Whatever, it will be a long long long time before you persuade me that thirty degrees is a half ball hit. Half ball aim? Absolutely!
Hu
I think you are completely wrong in this area. I don't like the insults.
Here's my attempt to diagram what you're describing (using balls instead of quarters). Both alignments look the same to me, so I'm clearly missing something you're saying - probably the difference between half ball "aim" vs. "hit". To me, both CBs look like they're "aimed" and "hit" half ball. What's your definition of "aim" vs "hit"?
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--HALFBALL AIM--------HALFBALL HIT
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I'm going to let this brush fire die in my end.
I probably deserve every bit of criticism levelled at me, given the incomplete nature of my post. Just bcuz I think it's simple doesn't mean others will. I should have asked one of my friends who have been on this site a long time for advice B4 spontaneously posting spur of the moment like I did.
I also found out after the fact that I had posted in the wrong forum!! There's apparently a sub forum on aiming. I heard about wars fought over these systems that resulted in some people being banned for life!!
Forgive me, but I just can't imagine fighting over an aiming system. Life's too short.
I also had an erroneous view of the demographics on this site. I took it for granted that new players, young players would gravitate here simply for the knowledge contained herein. That too was in error. I screwed up by naively posting incomplete info, thinking this would be accepted and tried B4 sinking the titanic. Lol.!!! For that, I apologize to all concerned.
Does anybody know the MB upload limit for videos on this site??
Not wanting to bug admin as they had their hands full w this one. Lol.
Thank you to those of you who responded positively or at least didn't send hate mail, lol, to my not well thought out posting.
I learned a lot from this incident. Thank you for that.
I don't think I've ever seen someone upload a video directly to AZB. It's usually (always?) an upload to YouTube and then a link posted here.
Appreciate the info.
Two ways to consider:
1) What you wrote, pro technique to optimize a pocket. For example, TOI or other english applied, so that an OB thrown left with intention, is aimed at the right side of the pocket, so that it pockets in the right section, or with too much english, still tends to pocket in pocket center or pocket left.
2) Pocket Center Aim
The second way works well for people who need the focus/intermediates, and then some can learn the pro way, too.
Thanks for your note.
For those of you who figured this out, use it in good health. It will help. The entire reason I posted this was for simplicity's sake. Too many educated beyond their capacity for reason making things harder than necessary for the average joe. Thats who this is for. Accurate and Simple. There's too much technical info for the avg player in these aiming systems. Guys just wanna hit balls and put em in the holes. The longer you use this, the finer tuned you will become. You'll start to notice the perfect triangle and lines will disappear - no longer necessary as you've mastered this. Won't take long, just try it. You'll see. 2 lines. 2 points. IDK why you'd need anything more complex than that. Unless you're of the 'spank me, make me write bad checks' crowd.Appreciate the info.
Just cain't hep mysef.
I understand completely what you're saying. A "halfball aim" is a halfball overlap, visually, but the actual hit (the contact point from a ccb reference) is not a halfball -- it's a 3/4 ball hit.
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I think that it is much simpler and clearer to say it is a half ball hit and the contact point is half way from the center to the edge. I think it is a mistake and confusing to call it a 3/4 ball hit. That is completely against what most of the world calls it.
see post #96....
Good question. And by the same line of reasoning, a "half-ball hit" would be a shot full at the object ball because then you are hitting halfway across the ball.
I'd call it 3/4 because I'd consider a full hit, ccb to cob, to be a 100% hit. Lol It really makes no difference.