Since when has a house Cue called a full splice custom build?
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If the cue was made from a barstick, it's still a full splice conversion, ie; the cue was made from an already existing cue, typically with a modification to the joint/pin...perhaps more. If it's a full splice that has been cut and the handle replaced, typically due to warpage, then it is no longer a full splice, but a conversion.
If the full splice blank was built from scratch by the cue maker, whether with or without veneers, it is in fact a custom full splice cue...and should demand a higher value accordingly.
So, to review:
Manufactured full splice existing cue, modified ....... still a full splice cue.
Manufactured full splice existing cue, cut at the handle and modified ....... no longer a full splice cue, but a conversion cue from a full splice.
Custom made full splice blank, built and completed by a cue maker ....... custom full splice cue.
Oh, and one more:
Custom built blank, built to customer specs, completed by a cue maker, again to customer specs ......... still a custom full splice cue, IMHO. (Davis, Prather, etc)
If the full splice blank was built from scratch by the cue maker, whether with or without veneers, it is in fact a custom full splice cue...and should demand a higher value accordingly.
So, to review:
Manufactured full splice existing cue, modified ....... still a full splice cue.
Manufactured full splice existing cue, cut at the handle and modified ....... no longer a full splice cue, but a conversion cue from a full splice.
Custom made full splice blank, built and completed by a cue maker ....... custom full splice cue.
Oh, and one more:
Custom built blank, built to customer specs, completed by a cue maker, again to customer specs ......... still a custom full splice cue, IMHO. (Davis, Prather, etc)
But calling a house Cue that isn't built like that full splice is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig.
Nick
This was a house cue until last week, now it's a 60", 19.6 oz. full splice Hoppe, with 13.125 mm shafts.
Way too much cue for most people.
This was a house cue until last week, now it's a 60", 19.6 oz. full splice Hoppe, with 13.125 mm shafts.
Way too much cue for most people.
Certainly looks like a full splice to me!!! :thumbup: And a very nice one at that! Was that an old Dufferin, or did the modification include the butterfly? Really like it, nice and clean, congrats!
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Thanks very much.
It was an old Dufferin house cue with a butterfly splice I had laying around for several years.
The first 30" of the butt was dead straight, it was a fun project.
Randy Etheridge is very good and he has been around for quite a while.
Reasonable $$, and really got it done in a timely fashion.
Randy build a lot of longer cues for people, and they all hit great, so I thought I would give him a try.
Now I have a couple more conversions for him to do.
Very nice!! Enjoy!
This would be a full splice custom .
This is also a full spice
Points , handle and butt plate all same pc. of wood , no cuts of any kind .
This Titlist was a full splice , but was cut and a pce was added to lengthen the cue . I do not consider this a full splice any longer , as it was cut . This would be a convertion , maybe a custom convertion .
I would still call it a full splice Jim. The reason being, the method in which the points were created is what makes it a full splice. Inlaid points on a short splice forearm are much easier to do than a full splice, even if the full splice forearm is altered after the splicing.
Joe
If you cut it and just added to the backend, not actually replacing the handle, it is still a full splice, IMHO.
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I think the confusion was a little more basic. The OP was pointing out that most conversions being touted as custom cues are nothing more than two piece house cues. Not actually custom built cues. He was correct to a certain extent. He just failed to differentiate between cutting and adding a pin vs. reworking the cue almost entirely.
cueman clarified that difference in better detail. ridewiththewind did a good job expanding on that.
IMO you see the Scruggs SP or Fancy SP at those prices because it is a custom made shaft to someone's spec and sometimes 2 or more shafts. Additionally other custom aspects such as ringwork, getting the points to line up at an the proper place in relation to the joint and most of these blanks have fairly even points. So blank selection as far as aesthetics. Then of course joint work or any other alterations that were added and the fact that it comes from someone with a quality reputation.
cueman clarified that difference in better detail. ridewiththewind did a good job expanding on that.
IMO you see the Scruggs SP or Fancy SP at those prices because it is a custom made shaft to someone's spec and sometimes 2 or more shafts. Additionally other custom aspects such as ringwork, getting the points to line up at an the proper place in relation to the joint and most of these blanks have fairly even points. So blank selection as far as aesthetics. Then of course joint work or any other alterations that were added and the fact that it comes from someone with a quality reputation.