Skid again... it's static after all?

Well I've read all the posts and i am still am not sure what causes a skid. But as one poster mentioned i don't remember balls skidding years ago when we played on the heavy nap cloth. But that was a long time ago.
I know when i first started to play and the balls were square we did have a lot of "slides" but after Moog (3 caves west) figured out how to make them round the slides stopped and we had "skids". :D
 
Has anyone ever experienced skid by using some low outside English? To explain further---just a little English on a slight cut and a lot on an extreme cut.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
Has anyone ever experienced skid by using some low outside English? To explain further---just a little English on a slight cut and a lot on an extreme cut.
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If i just have to make a cut shot i always spin it in and can"t remember getting a skid. But if i have to thin cut it with a soft stroke center ball sometimes it will skid. I still think the object ball slides a little before rolling on a soft cut shot. Try thin cutting balls with a soft almost feather like stroke center cue ball and see what happens.
 
Low and Slow

We have called that Simonis skid around my room since Simonis was first Installed on our tables


highrun55
 
Clearly I gotta spend more time on dave's site. The familiar sound combined with the obvious visual hop (obvious at 1000 FPS) has convinced me he's showing us the true cause of skid, or at least the leading cause.

My initial instinct was that static couldn't possibly affect it too, I shoulda trusted that. I guess I let my mind get clouded by all the times a massive winter shock sent my hand flying away from a metal surface. But that's strictly nerves and muscles causing the reaction, not physics :P
 
When I played Mika in the semis at the us open I had this shot that I had to shoot a certain way and I knew it was gonna skid... and sure enough it skidded! Probably cost me the match.
 
I've always believed ball on ball kicks was caused by chalk but have also always believed that static has an effect on how the chalk behaves.

Re static and how much physical effect it can have I know that if I comb my hair with a nylon comb for about 6 swift strokes I can easily divert the downward stream of water from a tap in a horizontal direction just by holding the static loaded comb next to the vertical stream. Static diverting a heavy pool/snooker ball at ball on ball contact is another matter right enough :smile:

Re another possible contributory cause sof skid, let's call it "cloth induced". I'm not sure if it has an effect on ball on ball skid normally but all those who played on brand new fitted Gorina cloth in IPT qualifiers or tourneys and ever played a bank or kick would certainly know how much the ball skidded on cushion contact....static? I don't know but it was huge :(
 
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Bob Jewett said:
[...] If someone does think that static electricity on the balls can cause very large excess friction between the balls, he should present an analysis of how that can happen based on something other than Phlogiston.
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Well if it doesn't come from a chemical reaction between the phlogiston and the ether, then I think there just might be a game of telephone going on here...

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Ralph to Mary: "It's caused by static friction."

Mary to Bill: "Ralph says it's caused by static."

Bill to Henry: "Yeah, let me explain: that's -ah- STATIC ELECTRICITY that causes that phenomenon"

Henry to Penelope: "Yeah, Bob Jewett proved with a high-speed camera it is caused by Static Electricity"

Penelope to Wilbur: "It's well known that Dr. Dave proved it is caused by Static Electricity in the Jacksonville Project."
 
Static electricity and dirt.

My guess would be that static electricity it self does't cause the skid but the static electricity will cause chalk and other foreign material to stick to the cue ball and object ball, it is this chalk and other foreign material that will cause the balls to "gear" more and cause the skid.
I think I will apply for a government grant to test this theory, I'll give a new report when finished.
 
Good one! :thumbup:

mikepage said:
Well if it doesn't come from a chemical reaction between the phlogiston and the ether, then I think there just might be a game of telephone going on here...

*****

Ralph to Mary: "It's caused by static friction."

Mary to Bill: "Ralph says it's caused by static."

Bill to Henry: "Yeah, let me explain: that's -ah- STATIC ELECTRICITY that causes that phenomenon"

Henry to Penelope: "Yeah, Bob Jewett proved with a high-speed camera it is caused by Static Electricity"

Penelope to Wilbur: "It's well known that Dr. Dave proved it is caused by Static Electricity in the Jacksonville Project."
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I have been one of the ones that has questioned if static could be one of the causes of a skid. I used to play in a room that kept their equipment very clean. Tables were cleaned at least daily, often more. Balls were cleaned daily, and many times they did it after every use. They used a ball machine, but didnt use cleaner or polish. I questioned if the friction between the fabric in the machine could possibly increase static enough to produce a skid.

I had never played in a room before that was kept so clean but the balls skidded more often. That was the reason I questioned static. But I sure dont claim to be smart enough to know how much static it would take to increase the friction enough to make a ball skid on a clean cloth :)
 
I believe that if there is a hand powder spot on both balls that touch, it will slide or skip to.
jmo

highrun55
 
donny mills said:
When I played Mika in the semis at the us open I had this shot that I had to shoot a certain way and I knew it was gonna skid... and sure enough it skidded! Probably cost me the match.
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I dunno if you'll remember it but there was a pretty brutal skid you had late in the match with shane. Stuck on the rail with moderate angle on a corner shot. It undercut by like 1/3rd diamond. Then shane undercut two shots later and I think you also did one more.

Corey was calling all of them skids, I was curious if you feel the same way or if any of them just got undercut. And if they were all skids, what was going on with the cloth around that time, did it seem extra chalky or whatever?
 
I just remembered

A woman gave me a lot of static once......
I ended up on skid row.....umm...might not be pertinent....
 
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