I played my last match next to Scott frost
He was very load in his match saying these
Balls skid so much
Ask him now what he thinks of them
I lost my winner side match today because of a skid
Skid
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I played my last match next to Scott frost
He was very load in his match saying these
Balls skid so much
Ask him now what he thinks of them
I lost my winner side match today because of a skid
I have been thinking about what applications it might have for cases. I know that you can waterproof leather with a silicon coating so this would appear to work as well or better.
When it comes to billiard equipment I honestly think that half the time what's spouted is half BS and half speculation and only 5% truly researched properly. Our industry is so small I very much doubt that even the biggest companies are putting a lot into real R&D.
To me you have the science part of it represented by guys like Bob Jewett and the experience side represented by the pros like Chris. I think that the science guys are right about skid but I wonder whether it's more than just chalk? No one has done a conclusive test under all conditions to my knowledge.
The very close up example of the 12 ball skid at the 4 minute mark is brilliant.
Your videos are badass.
best,
brian kc
Blake,
Thanks so much for ALL of your Slow-mo work. I think that your 'around the clock spin' should be required viewing for anyone wanting to learn how to control the cue ball.
The 10 ball skid vid also shows collision induced throw (CIT). It may be increased by the extra grip from the chalk at the contact point. I would be interested to see the different effects , if any, that hitting the chalk might have with different spins, that is, top, bottom, right, left & the diagonals.
I know you are selling your table & might not be able to get that done but I have found that the balls 'skid' more often when hitting with high inside vs other tip locations. But I could be wrong.
More to the topic at hand, & I hate to say this, but perhaps at least some of the skids are when a Pro mis hits the cue ball & gets it sliding or with some inside spin. No one is perfect, not even the Pros.
Anyway, thanks again for all of you work.
Best Regards & Wishes,
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Hi Bill;
Even weirder, to me, .is how you still interact here on az as if you never perpetuated the big hoax that was your Design Your Dream contest.
Yep, really weird.
best,
brian kc
Hi John,
The red circle ball is bouncier as it is made with a slightly different material, If it is bouncier it also has a different grip per different compression & friction. I hate it.
If the balls have a different friction between them then they will react differently. Naturally we will adjust, but that 'odd' skid, for what ever reason is something that we do not adjust to as it is so infrequent.
I think there are a combination of factors that contribute to certain skids & we don't fully understand them yet & their cumulative effect.
As to the Cyclop balls, I don't like the colors. No offense Lady's but they look like they belong in some women's closets.
Best Regards & Wishes,
Rick
Thanks KC! I think the key to skid is that there is enough friction to actually drive the OB into the slate and make it hop. That blew my mind when I first saw it in SloMo.
Thanks, Rick, it is my pleasure to share these videos with my buddies online.
Absolutely! In fact, I would venture to say that skid is nothing more than an enhanced version of vertical CIT. I did some shots in that video session with outside, and draw, and never got any skid. I think it only happens with a rolling or top-spinning cue ball. With inside English, I did see some skid, but only at a certain speed, I'd say between 3 to 4 out of 10. There seems to be a sweet spot (speed-wise) for getting skid with inside. Any harder or slower, and it just doesn't "catch" like it does with a Naturally Rolling CB.
No worries, all of my gear is portable, and most pool halls are willing to let me set up shop. You will still see many new videos, although they will not come out as quickly in response to requests.
I really believe that skid happens when the difference between the CB surface speed and OB surface (stationary) is just above zero, and only with some amount of top spin on the CB. In other words, if I put too much inside, it seems to slide right past the OB, and there is no skid. I only experience skid at relatively slower speeds, and only with relatively gentle amounts of spin.
Thanks for the positive comments. I'll do my best to continue to demonstrate certain shots and help us all understand pool as much as possible.
-Blake
I can say this about cue balls. I noticed that they are all different when I was selling jump cues. At one point I noticed that with one of them I could barely jump while with most of the others it was no problem. So I started weighing them and marking them with a sharpie to distinguish between them. I have long lost those balls and the notes I made about them but I can tell you that with the wrong ball a jump cue can look like a complete dud.
People always say it's not arrows but the indian but that is nonsense. Any variation in equipment HAS to have a different reaction, that's simple physics.
My opinion is that chalk marks on the CB and OBs cause skid.
What's that you say, chalk on the OBs?! Yes. Because you have to lag with OBs at the start of every match. And so, you end up with chalk on at least two OBs. A few innings later and, viola, you could get a skid on that ball you used to lag.
In addition, at events like these you have a lot of serious players grinding away, chalking newly roughed up tips. AND THEN you have the guys that are Kamui chalk believers and they are using a chalk that, perhaps, has adhesion properties that cause more chalk marks to remain on the CB. And it's not just what's happening during your match. As the day goes on, it's also about what the guys in the match before, and the guy who was practicing did on the same table.
Its about the chalk, not the balls.
Lou Figueroa
They did sound different, they seem to transfer less CIE, and I felt they were a tad livelier than Aramiths. On the video, Paul Smith said the Cyclop balls were harder and the surface smoother.
I would need a science guy to verify but I think it is the higher percentage of resin in the Cyclop balls (85% v 57-58%) that gives them a higher COR.
Lou Figueroa
I believe that harder would mean less skid and the Cyclop balls are indeed harder and smoother.
Lou Figueroa
Electrostatic build up? From rolling across a table?
Lou Figueroa
what's in
those crumpets?
Smoother might mean less skid since I think we are all in agreement that skid is throw that happens in a greater amount than planned for. But honestly, what does smoother mean really?
Again with all these claims that are not backed up by anything.
I wonder if Cyclop were to make an exact copy of Aramith Super Pros from appearance and didn't tell anyone what the comments would be? I am willing to bet the 99% of the people using them would think that they play exactly like the Super Pros IF they THOUGHT that the balls were super pros.
I think that if a given set of balls is harder and more polished (as supposedly the Cyclop balls are) there is perhaps less of a chance of chalk adhering to their surfaces. But you're still going to get chalk marks on any set no matter what.
Lou Figueroa
I think we've all lost matches because of skid. I know I have.
But it's *not the balls.* It's the chalk.
Lou Figueroa
Skid is the CB and OB momentarily sticking together because of chalk at the contact point. That's why, when there's a skid, the OB goes straighter and with less energy than the shooter intended.
I seem to remember a discussion about this back on RSB where Ron Shepard opined that you could reduce the occurrences of skid by shooting with a little English so that the CB would rotate and that whatever chalk ended up on the CB from that particular shot wouldn't end up on the shot axis.
Lou Figueroa
or sumthin'
like that
I knew you wouldn't let us down Blake! Thanks.