smoking ban and the effect on poolhalls??

[PKM]

And the businesses will have every right to operate under the new laws. The only "right" business owners have is as a voter. ONE vote, or how ever many votes are applicable in a partnership. That's IT.

If the rest of society disagrees with the business owner on what the best laws are in respect to that business, guess who's going to lose?

btw, A pool hall like any other business is not PRIVATE property ! just a little FYI ! For instance if the pool hall serves food it must be licensed ! it must pass city / county inspections or its shut down ! The only PRIVATE businesses that can defy / remain outside of control are PRIVATE CLUBS with a membership FEE !

You are telling me about how the law works, and the prospects for further regulation, I am aware of that and fully agree. But we were talking about the question of whether that makes it right.

The "general will" might want my house to be part of a shopping mall, that doesn't make it right.

 

[Russ Chewning]

You are telling me about how the law works, and the prospects for further regulation, I am aware of that and fully agree. But we were talking about the question of whether that makes it right.

The "general will" might want my house to be part of a shopping mall, that doesn't make it right.

I hardly think allowing smoking in businesses, versus stepping outside, compares with taking someone's house to build a shopping mall.

Russ

 

[socks]

you know what, screw this. i cann't belive i waded through 5 pages of this dribble nonsense. i think the point ya'll are missing being made by the smokers here is that no, the rights of the smoker do not outweigh the rights of the non-smoker or vice verse, but the rights of the bussiness owners should outweigh the rights of both the others. and its hardly fair to comapre an orange to an apple in the case of builders using asbestose or lead paint or mercury in wood or whatever, considering the end customer never had a choice in the matter to begin with in which with pool halls they have the choice to go into it or not after reading the sign on the door. as a smoker my self, i won't go to a room thats non-smoking untill either the government that passed the law, the owner that has to abide by the law or the sally busy body that couldn't mind thier own damn bussiness and go somewhere else while at the sametime screwing with my ability to see janet's boob on tv is gonna reimberse me the cost of my equipment after it got stolen because i had to go freaking outside to have a puff.

 

[Russ Chewning]

you know what, screw this. i cann't belive i waded through 5 pages of this dribble nonsense. i think the point ya'll are missing being made by the smokers here is that no, the rights of the smoker do not outweigh the rights of the non-smoker or vice verse, but the rights of the bussiness owners should outweigh the rights of both the others.

Why??? The only "right" a business owner has is to refuse service to a customer. In all other circumstances, the rights of the customer outweighs the rights of the business owner. That's why when a business owner gets out of line, he usually gets his arse sued..

Russ

 

[ScottW]

you know what, screw this. i cann't belive i waded through 5 pages of this dribble nonsense. i think the point ya'll are missing being made by the smokers here is that no, the rights of the smoker do not outweigh the rights of the non-smoker or vice verse, but the rights of the bussiness owners should outweigh the rights of both the others. and its hardly fair to comapre an orange to an apple in the case of builders using asbestose or lead paint or mercury in wood or whatever, considering the end customer never had a choice in the matter to begin with in which with pool halls they have the choice to go into it or not after reading the sign on the door. as a smoker my self, i won't go to a room thats non-smoking untill either the government that passed the law, the owner that has to abide by the law or the sally busy body that couldn't mind thier own damn bussiness and go somewhere else while at the sametime screwing with my ability to see janet's boob on tv is gonna reimberse me the cost of my equipment after it got stolen because i had to go freaking outside to have a puff.

Dude, step outside and have a cig. You're having a nic fit.

 

[Russ Chewning]

as a smoker my self, i won't go to a room thats non-smoking untill either the government that passed the law, the owner that has to abide by the law or the sally busy body that couldn't mind thier own damn bussiness and go somewhere else while at the sametime screwing with my ability to see janet's boob on tv is gonna reimberse me the cost of my equipment after it got stolen because i had to go freaking outside to have a puff.

How do you get your stuff stolen when you are in between the door and the parking lot????

Seems to me you would check your stuff immediately after coming back in, and keep an eye on the door in case anyone had stolen it.

Yer just making shiznit up, man!

Russ

 

[cardsfan]

I am trying to avoid being Controversial here, but it is getting harder ....

Everyone has personal choices to make, and it is their choices, not anyone elses. Don't like smoke, just don't go there. Live and let live is a good motto to live by. So is Don't Tread on me.

Lets see, I can see the Armed Forces telling the military personnel they can no longer smoke, especially in a war zone ..... LOL

I fought for my country, 3 tours of Nam, and I'll be damned if I will let some pansy non-smokers tell me how to live my life.

(fades out as Frank Sinatra's, 'That's Life' is playing in the background.

Tap Tap Tap, thanks for serving.

 

[BHQ]

How do you get your stuff stolen when you are in between the door and the parking lot????

Seems to me you would check your stuff immediately after coming back in, and keep an eye on the door in case anyone had stolen it.

Yer just making shiznit up, man!

Russ

there is also some talk about you have to be 50 feet away from any door, opening, air intake, etc.
i think that was one of the snags here in ohio regarding the enforcement and the temporary delay
i honestly haven't followed it that closely other than hearing bits & pieces from the poolhalls and local bars

 

[cardsfan]

Soo... Just so I can get it straight, because no one has been forthcoming enough to just come out and say it.

If the situation is such that I live in a small town, with one pool hall, and the next closest pool hall is 20 miles away, and I can't stand the smell of smoke in my clothes, even though I chose not to get addicted.. You are saying you feel that the right of you as a smoker being able to smoke inside the pool hall (versus outside) overrides my right to not have to travel miles out of my way..

Even though you are a minority?

It's a yes or no question. Do the rights of a smoker override the rights of a non smoker, even though the non smoker is a majority?

Yes......Or No?

Russ

Well, if your the only non-smoker in a smoking bar, doesn't that make YOU the minority. So then you have the choice, bit*ch or hit the road. I prefer the ladder.

Mike

 

[Russ Chewning]

there is also some talk about you have to be 50 feet away from any door, opening, air intake, etc.
i think that was one of the snags here in ohio regarding the enforcement and the temporary delay
i honestly haven't followed it that closely other than hearing bits & pieces from the poolhalls and local bars

Honestly.. I'm not an ogre. I would be happy with someone stepping right outside the door.

All this "50 feet" stuff I have been talking about is if someone were 50 feet inside the pool hall and stepped right outside.

I wouldn't really like walking through the smoke on my way in and out, but I am willing to compromise. It is the smokers who seem unwilling to compromise at all.

Russ

 

[Russ Chewning]

Well, if your the only non-smoker in a smoking bar, doesn't that make YOU the minority. So then you have the choice, bit*ch or hit the road. I prefer the ladder.

Mike

Oh, no doubt. But here's the thing.. I can GUARANTEE you that I as a non-smoker, am the MAJORITY in the pool hall closest to my home. That means that the minority of smokers is stinking the rest of us up night after night, and we don't have much of a choice but to deal with it if we want to play pool without travelling 20 miles. I can also guarantee you I would spend more time there, AND more money, if I didn't have to deal with the smoke.

Russ

 

[cardsfan]

The more I participate in this thread, the more I believe that those studies I posted earlier were right. The overwhelming majority of smokers ARE antisocial.

Russ

,
Hey, that makes you the minority, and based on your very own comments, being a minority, you forfeit a voice in the matter. So hit the road Russell, 20 more miles to go to the next discussion.LOL

Mike

 

[Big Perm]

Too bad you can't fix a dying cancer victim as easily as changing my post!

I wish I could though - I wish I could save their lives....

But I'm not gonna ban the sun because people get skin cancer either....

we just don't agree, but that's OK....

 

[Neil]

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[Russ Chewning]

,
Hey, that makes you the minority, and based on your very own comments, being a minority, you forfeit a voice in the matter. So hit the road Russell, 20 more miles to go to the next discussion.LOL

Mike

??? You really seem to need to work on reading comprehension..

But, I'll tell you what.. If you think I said in the above post that smoker's are the majority, I'll let you think what you want. (While laughing at you.)

Have fun, man. I can tell you think that smoker's should be allowed to smoke whenever, whereever. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll bring back smoking in all sections in restaurants. Perhaps they'll let you flick butts at the giraffes at the zoo. Smoking on planes where noone has the choice to get away from your disgusting habit. I bet that would make your day, huh?

Russ

 

[Russ Chewning]

Russ, you know as well as anybody that you can take a poll and have it come out anyway you want. A while back this was brought up and it was proven that the American Cancer Society used very flawed data for thier polls. Another group did a study on second-hand smoke and found that in a crowded bar with all smokers, you had to be in there for 250 hours to breathe the equivalent of one cigarette. I don't take much stock in polls anymore.

These aren't polls. Polls ask people questions, hence, they rely on people's perceptions.

The study dealing with the Navy Recruits don't involve "perceptions". They simply tracked who smoked, who didn't. And saw how their careers turned out. There is no flawed data there. It is what is is. And a few flawed stues I can buy. But there were over 700,000 pages that returned when I did the search.

Plus, i have anectdotal evidence that shows that smokers are generally rude people. Every time I picked up a cigarette butt off the ground when I was on police call in the Army, that is anectdotal evidence that that person was too f**king rude to throw away his own cigarette butt. Shall I make a rough estimate of how many butts I picked up on an average police call? About 50 or so. Did I mention we did the police call daily? You do the math, man.

Plus, I have pretty good observational skills. I see smokers flicking their cigarettes out the windows of their cars. And I've talked to a lot of other people about this.

Are you a smoker? If so, have you ever thrown a butt somewhere other than the garbage? If so, you fit the mold perfectly. Sorry.. It is what it is, man.

Russ

 

[Neil]

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[Russ Chewning]

Russ, Russ, Russ, the same arguments can be made for alcohol. And the drunks endager a lot more people. I don't see you standing up for that. Maybe you like to down one now and then?

Siiiighhhh.. Man, you guys really like to twist things, eh? First of all, the biggest danger to me from alcohol is someone who drinks and drives. And believe me, the government takes THAT seriously. The cops will leave any traffic stop that does not involve stolen goods, violence or drugs, in order to get a drunk driver. We do what we can to keep drunk drivers off the road.

And to tear your point to shreds, I am ON RECORD in this forum as being in favor of much stricter sentencing for drunk drivers.

Next?

Russ

 

[Rich R.]

I am really tired of hearing the arguments about the smoking bans hurting the business owners.
These same business owners had many, many years to install adequate ventilation and devices that remove smoke from the interior air. There are very effective devices on the market and they have been available for a long time. Most business owners didn't want to hear about installing these devices because it would cost them a few bucks. After ignoring that option for so many years, the non-smoking public is voting for another option, the smoking ban.

 

[Russ Chewning]

I am really tired of hearing the arguments about the smoking bans hurting the business owners.
These same business owners had many, many years to install adequate ventilation and devices that remove smoke from the interior air. There are very effective devices on the market and they have been available for a long time. Most business owners didn't want to hear about installing these devices because it would cost them a few bucks. After ignoring that option for so many years, the non-smoking public is voting for another option, the smoking ban.

HIGH FIVE!

Russ