smoking ban and the effect on poolhalls??
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Neil said:
I asked you a question. Have you ever thrown a cigarette butt somewhere it was not supposed to go?
Russ
Neil said:
There are entrapment laws on the books that prevent the cops from doing this in a lot of states. And in a lot of other states, they do exactly this. There are a LOT of bars, and a limited amount of cops, though.
Are you SERIOUSLY putting forth an opinion that the cops DO NOT WANT to stop drunk driving???
Are you INSANE? Every cop I have ever met gets an extreme hard on if he thinks he has a chance to catch a drunk driver! They hate drunk drivers with a white hot passion!
Russ
Neil said:
Nope. I also have never done drugs. I have never drank and drive. For that matter, I may drink once a month, if that.
I have also told my daughter that if she ever gets into any legal trouble and it's her fault, she should expect no financial help from my wife and I.
I don't steal. If a cashier gives me too much money back, I will bring it to her attention.
Trust me, you will get NOWHERE trying to impugn my character.
Russ
Jimmy M. said:What if it's a female cop?
They get em too! (have you ever met a female cop?
)Russ
Neil said:
Do you want to admit that you pulled this statement from your ***, or are you going to make me post the numbers to prove you wrong? (I've already looked them up.)
Russ
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Neil said:
Dude, you’re so off base claiming more drunk driving deaths, it’s not even funny. These are the facts.
According to the NTSB, in 2004 the total number of drunk driving fatalities in 2004 was 16,919. http://www.madd.org/stats/10213
According to the CDC, the number of smoking related deaths every year is well over 400,000. http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/Factsheets/tobacco_related_mortality.htm
I just couldn't stand it. I really doubt you'll respond to the last post, so I'll post the numbers..
During 1997--2001, smoking resulted in an estimated annual average of 259,494 deaths among men and 178,408 deaths among women in the United States (Table). Among adults, 158,529 (39.8%) of these deaths were attributed to cancer, 137,979 (34.7%) to cardiovascular diseases, and 101,454 (25.5%) to respiratory diseases. The three leading specific causes of smoking-attributable death were lung cancer (123,836), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)† (90,582), and ischemic heart disease (86,801). Smoking during pregnancy resulted in an estimated 910 infant deaths annually during 1997--2001. An estimated 38,112 lung cancer and heart disease deaths annually were attributable to exposure to secondhand smoke.
(Note the second hand smoke-related deaths.)
http://www.nh-dwi.com/caip-206.htm
1. 250,000 people have died in alcohol related accidents in the past 10 years.
2. Presently 25,000 people are killed each year in alcohol related accidents.
Wow, Neil. Your numbers seem to be a little off. But it's kind of easy to understand.. 25,000 does sometimes look like more than 400,000, depending on what lense your lifeview has at that particular time.
What a second!! Did I READ that right? More people die each year due to SECOND-HAND smoke than do in alcohol-rleated accidents? WHOOPSIE, I think you owe me an apology.
Russ
During 1997--2001, smoking resulted in an estimated annual average of 259,494 deaths among men and 178,408 deaths among women in the United States (Table). Among adults, 158,529 (39.8%) of these deaths were attributed to cancer, 137,979 (34.7%) to cardiovascular diseases, and 101,454 (25.5%) to respiratory diseases. The three leading specific causes of smoking-attributable death were lung cancer (123,836), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)† (90,582), and ischemic heart disease (86,801). Smoking during pregnancy resulted in an estimated 910 infant deaths annually during 1997--2001. An estimated 38,112 lung cancer and heart disease deaths annually were attributable to exposure to secondhand smoke.
(Note the second hand smoke-related deaths.)
http://www.nh-dwi.com/caip-206.htm
1. 250,000 people have died in alcohol related accidents in the past 10 years.
2. Presently 25,000 people are killed each year in alcohol related accidents.
Wow, Neil. Your numbers seem to be a little off. But it's kind of easy to understand.. 25,000 does sometimes look like more than 400,000, depending on what lense your lifeview has at that particular time.
What a second!! Did I READ that right? More people die each year due to SECOND-HAND smoke than do in alcohol-rleated accidents? WHOOPSIE, I think you owe me an apology.
Russ
TX Poolnut said:
D'oh! You got there before I did... But at least I was the first to make the point that more people have died from second hand smoke than drunk driving...
Russ
rights
Smokers' rights...non-smokers rights...
What about the business owners' rights to make decisions based upon what they deem is best for their business? If he wants to sit around and go broke with the smokers, instead of tapping into this goldmine of the silent majority of pool players who detest smoke, he is paying his dues (in the form of taxes) and should be allowed to do as he sees fit.
Playing pool, or smoking for that matter, is NOT addressed by the Bill of Rights. Pool Halls are private business establishments. If you feel that your town is crying out for a non-smoking room I would recommend that you open one as quickly as possible. Sounds like you could pick up some tables from the business in question at the beginning of this thread.
Smokers' rights...non-smokers rights...
What about the business owners' rights to make decisions based upon what they deem is best for their business? If he wants to sit around and go broke with the smokers, instead of tapping into this goldmine of the silent majority of pool players who detest smoke, he is paying his dues (in the form of taxes) and should be allowed to do as he sees fit.
Playing pool, or smoking for that matter, is NOT addressed by the Bill of Rights. Pool Halls are private business establishments. If you feel that your town is crying out for a non-smoking room I would recommend that you open one as quickly as possible. Sounds like you could pick up some tables from the business in question at the beginning of this thread.
drawls13 said:
The point is, is that the pool hall allowing billows of smoke to cascade around his establishment is leaving money "on the table", so to speak, regarding non smokers.
And if a new pool hall starts up that does not allow smoking, he will not gain the business of the smokers from the other business. It's tough to fade not being able to draw the business from the smokers, I acknowledge that.
But here's where it gets interesting. If a statewide ban goes into effect, and the old pool hall in this town keeps on offering substandard service, facilities, because he is the only pool hall in town.. THEN, that opens a huge opprtunity for a new pool hall to open up. He offers friendly staff, clean facilities, etc.. Then, the old pool room goes out of business because he did not listen to his customers.
As it stands, current smoking pool halls without sufficient air filtration rule the roost. The barriers to entry are that a non smoking pool hall will not make money IF, and ONLY IF there is a smoking alternative.
The truth of it is, non smoking businesses are more healthy for everyone, all around. Just like a Chinese restaraunt that does not use MSG is more healthy all around. The government CAN and eventually WILL ban indoor smoking in businesses. And it will end up helping the shortsighted businessman of today who refused to get proper filtration.
And oh, what a blessed day that will be. If Florida does it soon enough, I can put a pool hall out of business in my home town. His place stinks to high heaven of smoke. He won't be able to clean it fast enough to matter, and I will steal all his customers, since my staff will be trained a HECK of a lot better than his are.
Russ
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Neil said:
Actually, no.. Those numbers are specifically cases where the person was either a smoker, or lived in a house with a smoker. Oh yeah.. And had TAR all over their lungs..
Russ