Smoking bans causes more DUI deaths

You guys are fast.
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Should we lift the ban on police car chases because chasing after someone at high speeds might cause them to get into an accident with a pedestrian? Yeah brilliant logic.
 
Do you realize that your argument for allowing smoking in poolhalls is that drunk drivers do not have to drive such long distances, only a short distances? Wow.

I love how people complain about the rising gas costs while they keep puffing on a tax cleverly disguised in the form of a cigarette, which you get NOTHING out of besides it calming your need for another cigarette. Well besides of course... cancer, heart disease, respiratory disease, circulatory disease, and emphysema.

<---Former smoker (2 1/2 years free) who realizes how moronic I use to be (Now just slightly moronic). My Father was life long smoker who died of lung cancer and I always felt like a hypocrite everytime I smoked a cigarette.

I hope for every smokers sake that you realize sooner than later what a mistake you are making.
 
"It still appears that the positive health effects of smoking bans outweigh the negative"

Quote from the actual article.
 
Whoooo that got some quick responses, gotta love living in a democacy.
theyve tried to ban smoking twice locally and its been voted down twice.
U have the right to not go into a smokey bar and i should have the right to light up if i want too.:cool:



this is gonna be good :)
 
You have the right to live in a state where everyone smokes in the bars and you have the right to live in a state where everyone socializes and smokes outside the bars and lets the inside of the bars be a better environment for everyone whether they know it or not.
 
TXsouthpaw said:
Whoooo that got some quick responses, gotta love living in a democacy.
theyve tried to ban smoking twice locally and its been voted down twice.
U have the right to not go into a smokey bar and i should have the right to light up if i want too.:cool:



this is gonna be good :)
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Well, as a smoker myself I can honestly say that I wouldn't be too thrilled if my local pool hall went to non-smoking. Unless of course the shop owner put the effort forth to make a decent smoking area outside for us that want to puff away. But, let me say that I totally understand the feelings of the non-smoker and I do my best to keep my filthy habit away from them.

I do not agree on a ban though. Not because I'm a smoker. I just don't think it's right that the government can tell someone what they can and can't allow in their establishment. Sure, we could take this to the extreme and say "then they should allow murder in their establishment" etc... That's not a valid argument. If a shop owner wants to allow smoking then so be it. If you're a non-smoker and don't want to be around the smoke you have every right to go somewhere else.
MULLY
 
TXsouthpaw said:
Whoooo that got some quick responses, gotta love living in a democacy.
theyve tried to ban smoking twice locally and its been voted down twice.
U have the right to not go into a smokey bar and i should have the right to light up if i want too.:cool:



this is gonna be good :)
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You have the right to make out with your sister too, although I wouldn't recommend that either. Im in southern California, im a right wing conservative, but man....you guys are backwards.
 
On a more personal note, I just dont really get smoking cigarettes. They cost a lot, make you smell bad, keep you out of shape, eventually kill you, and you don't get high or buzzed (after a while) on them, it just never made sense to me. Guess its just a social thing, but then why not just drink, I can atleast see the reasons for doing that.
 
TXsouthpaw said:
Not for the people dying on the road
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Again the logic doesnt follow. You can't justify allowing one bad thing, because another could potentially follow from it. If the law followed that line of reasoning, we wouldn't be able to function as a society, which was clear in my first post.
 
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TXsouthpaw said:
Whoooo that got some quick responses, gotta love living in a democacy.
theyve tried to ban smoking twice locally and its been voted down twice.
U have the right to not go into a smokey bar and i should have the right to light up if i want too.:cool:



this is gonna be good :)
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Many people live in places that have absolutely nowhere to play pool without having to deal with smoking. So that's fair for a nonsmoker? I live in North Carolina now, which will probably be the last place on Earth to ban smoking, and I plan on moving soon. One of the requirements for the next place I move too, will be for all public places to be smoke free.
 

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"It still appears that the positive health effects of smoking bans outweigh the negative"

Quote from the actual article.


Not for the people dying on the road
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If the commitment is not there, it's time to walk away.
- Larry Flynt

The people dying on the road are the minority. The people living instead of dying of toxic smoke inhalation are the majority. The thing that causes LESS people to die in the long run is the better way to go.
 
This commentary has nothing to do with whether it's right to ban or not to ban. It is only here to try to give hope to the soon to be banned smoker.


I live in Washington which has been smoke free for a while now. I smoked for 10 years so I understand how fun it is to get drunk and chain smoke in a bar or pool hall. I have witnessed what happens when a state goes non-smoking. Conversations happen that never would have happened. Friends are made that never would have been made. People go outside and smoke in groups and have fun. It might be awkward to go up to a stranger inside a bar or pool hall and talk to them but it seems perfectly normal to talk to them while outside smoking with them.
 
mully said:
I do not agree on a ban though. Not because I'm a smoker. I just don't think it's right that the government can tell someone what they can and can't allow in their establishment. Sure, we could take this to the extreme and say "then they should allow murder in their establishment" etc... That's not a valid argument. If a shop owner wants to allow smoking then so be it. If you're a non-smoker and don't want to be around the smoke you have every right to go somewhere else.
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To put it rather crudely, "telling people what to do" is the whole point in a government. We live in a society where we elect a government to govern us. To make informed decisions for the benefit of society.

Also in response to "that isn't a valid argument". Why isn't it? Why do you think it's ok to ban certain things but smoking is ok and it's unfair to ban that. I mean it's not unreasonable to have mass public drug taking at least restricted is it? I mean in theory it's bad enough cigarettes are even legal when you think about it.

Also your point about going somewhere else - I wasn't aware that there are masses of good quality pool halls everywhere giving us a huge great choice of alternatives.
 
I live in Canada, and every bar/pool room has a smoking ban. It's been atleast 4 years now. I must say it's 10X better having a non smoking room. You can breathe better, you don't smell like ass when you leave, you can stay in the room longer. All smokers here agree that is a much better quality of life. Nothing is worse than a smokey room (especially cigars).

I went to the states a couple times to play in a few tournaments, and I couldn't stay in your guys pool rooms for more than 3 hours without having to go outside to get some fresh air. Very disgusting. Some people are just to lazy to walk outside and have a smoke.
 
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