Sniper tips

mullyman

mullyman

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Ok, so I picked up a couple of Sniper tips this weekend and had one put on the spare shaft of my SouthWest. The reason I did this is because my Scruggs came with, what I believe, are Sniper tips and it plays great so I thought I'd toss one on the old South and see.

Anyway, I had a guy put it on for me last night and when I went to hit a few balls with it I noticed 2 things. One, it's really soft. Is it going to harden up? The tips on my Scruggs aren't anything like this. Second, it's making a little "tink" sound when I hit a ball. It sounds like a tip sounds when the tip and ferrule have a spot of air between them. The guy that put it on said that's how they sound. He said they are expensive tips but the quality is basically shit. That sound is probably the layers smacking together. So, my question is this......are these things consistent with anyone else's experience with Sniper tips? Will it harden up and lose that sound or should I just give up now and go back to Moori?
MULLY
 
Give it a little more time. After 2 or 3 days they won't be soft any more. That sound you were describing should be gone as well. I really like Snipers.
 
atthecat said:
Give it a little more time. After 2 or 3 days they won't be soft any more. That sound you were describing should be gone as well. I really like Snipers.
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Ok, so that sound isn't unusual? I've changed thousands of tips in my time, for myself and for others, and the only time I've heard that sound is when the tip isn't on correctly.
Thanks,
MULLY
if it ends up feeling like the Scruggs' tip I'll like Snipers too
 
I have Snipers on both Scruggs I play with. 04 Scruggs with original Sniper hits harder. The 08 Scruggs has a Sniper tip too tbut they are way softer. I've been breaking with the 08 to wear the tip a little more to hopefully make it hit harder like the 04. Neither one makes a tink sound. They sound just like regular tips to me. Regardless of the feel they bothplay nice though.
 
I broke my buddies tip off his Olivier that had a 314 shaft so I had a Sniper I had laying around that I give him to put on the shaft. It felt softer than the Moori Soft I shoot with now. It never made no noises though when I hit but it always had that softer feel which didnt bother me but its supposed to be just alittle harder than a Moori Soft. I would shoot with one anyday:wink:
 
Thanks for that, guys. It didn't sound right to me that a tip make a noise like that. Anyone else, before I go choke the shit out of this little fella?
MULlY
not talking about playing with myself
 
mullyman said:
Ok, so I picked up a couple of Sniper tips this weekend and had one put on the spare shaft of my SouthWest. The reason I did this is because my Scruggs came with, what I believe, are Sniper tips and it plays great so I thought I'd toss one on the old South and see.

Anyway, I had a guy put it on for me last night and when I went to hit a few balls with it I noticed 2 things. One, it's really soft. Is it going to harden up? The tips on my Scruggs aren't anything like this. Second, it's making a little "tink" sound when I hit a ball. It sounds like a tip sounds when the tip and ferrule have a spot of air between them. The guy that put it on said that's how they sound. He said they are expensive tips but the quality is basically shit. That sound is probably the layers smacking together. So, my question is this......are these things consistent with anyone else's experience with Sniper tips? Will it harden up and lose that sound or should I just give up now and go back to Moori?
MULLY
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Sniper tips are a medium tip that seems to play soft. In other words, they last and they do not mushroom like softs, but they play a bit soft. The noise you hear, if it's coming from the tip, is probably the sound of an incorrectly installed Sniper.

Although the Sniper does not cut, on a lathe, as smoothly as the Moori and the Kamui tips, it is still among the top tips once installed properly. Just as with any tip, as you play with it it will compress and harden up a bit, that is if it doesn't malfunction first.

Do you know how it was installed...lathe??...by hand??

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
Do you know how it was installed...lathe??...by hand??

Gene
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It was done by hand. This guy has changed tips for me quite a few times and I've always been happy with the work he does, but, I've changed a lot of tips in my life and I know there are times where it doesn't go on just right. I'm not questioning his ability to change the tip as much as I just think this one isn't on right.
MULLY
 
mullyman said:
Ok, so I picked up a couple of Sniper tips this weekend and had one put on the spare shaft of my SouthWest. The reason I did this is because my Scruggs came with, what I believe, are Sniper tips and it plays great so I thought I'd toss one on the old South and see.

Anyway, I had a guy put it on for me last night and when I went to hit a few balls with it I noticed 2 things. One, it's really soft. Is it going to harden up? The tips on my Scruggs aren't anything like this. Second, it's making a little "tink" sound when I hit a ball. It sounds like a tip sounds when the tip and ferrule have a spot of air between them. The guy that put it on said that's how they sound. He said they are expensive tips but the quality is basically shit. That sound is probably the layers smacking together. So, my question is this......are these things consistent with anyone else's experience with Sniper tips? Will it harden up and lose that sound or should I just give up now and go back to Moori?
MULLY
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I have put a number of these tips on for customers, and while they certainly soften the hit of a cue, they do not make that tink sound. To my experience there are two things that will cause that problem. Like you have said, part of the tip is not glued to the ferrule, or the tip is bad and has layers that are loose in the tip.

Either way, I personally think the tip is bad and I would replace it. If you want the next one more firm from the start have it pressed before application. This will be equal to the effect of a tip that has been played with for a few weeks.

Good Luck.
 
Sniper tips...

I have installed quite a few Sniper tips, all who got them, LOVE THEM! When I install any tip, I pre-press them with a vise, circumvents the mushrooming after hitting balls and gets rid of the break-in period. Just a way to make it easier on the customers, no changes from the beginning. Just make sure to break the glaze every few hours so the chalk grabs.
 
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manwon said:
I have put a number of these tips on for customers, and while they certainly soften the hit of a cue, they do not make that tink sound. To my experience there are two things that will cause that problem. Like you have said, part of the tip is not glued to the ferrule, or the tip is bad and has layers that are loose in the tip.

Either way, I personally think the tip is bad and I would replace it. If you want the next one more firm from the start have it pressed before application. This will be equal to the effect of a tip that has been played with for a few weeks.

Good Luck.
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Yeah, I have one more and they have a press at the pool hall so I think I'll go ahead and do that. He said Snipers sound like that, and I've been friends with this guy damn near 15 years now so I trust what he says, but still, it doesn't sound right to me. I've changed enough tips to know what one sounds like when it's not on right.
MULLY
 
tattoosbyjay said:
im a big fan of moori med is snyper the ones who make the everst tip or are they two differant people
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Actually Tiger Products, makes the Sniper, the Everest, Dynomite, and Tiger tips.
 
If it's making "that sound"...I'll bet it's delamned and will get worse or break. These things can be made to play and last but must be put on with a lathe. Back cutting it with a knife or to much heat and it's done.

That's part of the reason I'm such a Moori fan. Even a monkey with reasonable skills can put one on without ruining it.

Nick
 
Nick B said:
If it's making "that sound"...I'll bet it's delamned and will get worse or break. These things can be made to play and last but must be put on with a lathe. Back cutting it with a knife or to much heat and it's done.

That's part of the reason I'm such a Moori fan. Even a monkey with reasonable skills can put one on without ruining it.

Nick
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Even a monkey with reasonable skills can put one on without ruining

Wow Nick that explains it!!! That's why I am so good at putting on Moori tips!!!!!!!!:eek: :angry: :grin:
 
Yea the one I had installed and shaped didnt make any kind of weird sounds or tinks. I'd go with something being wrong with the tip as well.
 
I have 4 shafts with snipers, the first thing I do after a new install is put the cue cue together and "bounce" it a minimum of a 100 times on a tile or cement floor, then shape the tip. They are practically matinance free after that.

cheers------------BW
 
Mully, don't worry. I've had some that have taken a day or so to break in (read: compress) and others were good right away. Just hit like 50 shots or so and then comment. They aren't medium. More like M/H.

tim
 
I Think the tip has not been pressed properly,If pressed properly they will never make tink sound.By the way how is your new case mully.I am also about to order one,my turn has come just not sure about the design yet:)
 
Just a comment about tips in general. Since returning from my 25 year hiatus from pool I have been confused and unsure about which tips to use. I've tried many and been satisfied with a few. For me, the jury's still out but I've learned a bit along the way. Luckily, I have a very patient repair guy who is a wizard with a lathe and a freehand razor.

I ordered a second shaft from Jeff Olney with an ivory ferrule. I thought I needed it because that was what I was used to playing with. The original has a LBM ferrule and plays as good as it gets. The new shaft came and weighed 3.9 oz, and had mega growth rings. Straight lines from joint to ferrule. I paid Jeff $200 for the shaft with the ivory ferrule and a Talisman Medium on a shock pad. IMHO, the shaft had a little "tink" on arrival. Nobody, including myself liked the hit. Everyone loved the original shaft with the LBM ferrule and a Moori Medium. I don't know why I thought I needed ivory. Maybe I just wanted two shafts and I thought I should have an ivory shaft because that is what I was used to.

Long story short, eventually I took the shaft to Mike Pancerny, who does the repairs on all my cues. I told him that I wanted the shock pad removed and a Talisman Medium installed to try to eliminate the tink. Mike carefully removed the tip and the shock pad and found a little spot where air had gotten in or there was no glue, I'm not really sure which. BINGO ! The cue plays like a MONSTER with the Kamui tip we installed. I put a Kamui on just to try something different. Honestly, it's no better than other premium shafts I have with Talismans or Mooris, but the shaft now plays up to it's potential. A tiny little air bubble had ruined the playability of that shaft.

All you good people that have been around for the last 25 years and have had a chance to experiment with many tips may know this, but I'm now trying a Dynomite, the Kamui, a Blackjack, and a Moori Soft. The jury's still out :rolleyes: ...Tom
 
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