snooker q's

deadstroke13

deadstroke13

The Banker
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Pretty much new to snooker and I have a few questions to ease my curiosity.

First question is, in snooker do they allow jump cues or would you to elevate you playing cue to jump. The second question is, I know they have two snooker cue brands Elite and Riley cues (Ironically the name of my daughter.) Or is that the only two cue brands they make for snooker?
 
No jumping allowed at all in snooker.

I don't know anything about Elite, but Riley's and BCE are essentially the Cuetech or Players cues of snooker. They're terrible.

If your looking for suggestions for snooker cues, Wity is your man. I've got a John Parris which plays nice.
 
Bob Jewett said:
There are a few jump shots permitted in snooker, but you are not allowed to shoot the standard ones where the cue ball passes over a ball to hit the required target.
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I've never heard that, could you clarify?

I remember seeing Stephen Maguire (I think) miscue and hop over the red he was intending to pot and it was called a foul. I thought that was a bit silly, considering that he didn't make anything and it was quite obvious he was trying to do it.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I've never heard that, could you clarify? ...
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The rule (from the IBSF website) is:

19. Jump Shot
A jump shot is made when the cue-ball passes over any part of an object ball, whether touching it in the process or not, except:
(a) when the cue-ball first strikes one object ball and then jumps over another ball,
(b) when the cue-ball jumps and strikes an object ball, but does not land on the far side of that ball,
(c) when, after striking an object ball lawfully, the cue-ball jumps over that ball after hitting a cushion or another ball.​

Among other things, this means that in the unlikely event you are blocked from hitting a ball on by the cushion (the cue ball being deep in a pocket, for example), you are permitted to shoot a jump shot over the cushion to hit a ball on.

I think it is a good idea to go back and read the rules from time to time. Sometimes they change and sometimes we misremember what they really say.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The rule (from the IBSF website) is:

19. Jump Shot
A jump shot is made when the cue-ball passes over any part of an object ball, whether touching it in the process or not, except:
(a) when the cue-ball first strikes one object ball and then jumps over another ball,
(b) when the cue-ball jumps and strikes an object ball, but does not land on the far side of that ball,
(c) when, after striking an object ball lawfully, the cue-ball jumps over that ball after hitting a cushion or another ball.​

Among other things, this means that in the unlikely event you are blocked from hitting a ball on by the cushion (the cue ball being deep in a pocket, for example), you are permitted to shoot a jump shot over the cushion to hit a ball on.

I think it is a good idea to go back and read the rules from time to time. Sometimes they change and sometimes we misremember what they really say.
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Pleas do so because you are wrong. At no time is a jump shot permitted. When you say "amongst other things this means that.." is irrelevent.


Rule 12....

12. Penalties
All fouls will incur a penalty of four points unless a higher one is indicated in paragraph (a) to (d) below. Penalties are:
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(viii) playing a jump shot,


In the event that the only way out of a snooker involves a jump shot the player should play a shot of enough strength and accuracy of direction that it would hit the object ball if the white were not snookered. a foul and 4 points penalty would follow but never a miss called.
If the player chose a jump shot then the resuolt is the same.
 
Rules are a wonderful thing...
With a bit of practice, you can make contact with the object ball and jump the object ball over an intervening ball. I can do this in pool (some times), never tried it on my precious snooker table though.

Or, you can jump the cue ball after making contact with the object ball, in order to jump over the pack and land somewhere for a baulk colour perhaps.

The cue ball may never jump over an intervening ball, but what happens after you make contact with the object ball is fair game. May be we should call those indirect, or secondary jump shots?
 
Hang on methinks i see what Bob meant now.

example...

The white is pretty close to a corner pocket and is surrounded by the colours say 6" or so away from the white yet the player is on a red say at the other end of the table.
The balls lie in such a way no normal shot could possiblly get through to the red.

A jump shot landing on the cushion say some 3" away that then rolls along the cushion falls back on the table and hits the red is legit.
 
Correct, believe it or not i meant to type Illegal but then thought ah leave it lets see whats said.

Thing is was it illegal then and the ref cocked up or have the rules changed?
 
Wity said:
... Thing is was it illegal then and the ref cocked up or have the rules changed?
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Yes and yes. In 1980 the Rule Book included this official decision:
The Jump Shot is a foul in which the cue-ball is made to jump over any ball whether by accident or design. Penalty...In Snooker: Value of the ball 'on', or value of the ball struck...​
 and this rule:
Foul Strokes: 13. ...
Q. Jump Shot. Penalty, value of the ball on, or value of the ball struck or value of the ball pocketed, whichever is higher.
R. By playing out of turn. ...​
 The Jump Shot was not actually defined except by the "Official Decision." Notice that the wording of the rules was very, very different in 1980 and the effect is also different. Anyone who fancies himself a competitive player really should get a copy of the rules -- which are available on-line for free -- and study them. They change, and evidently they have surprises in them.
 
Underclocked said:
Wouldn't the first video above also show an illegal shot?
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It does not violate the current rule which I have quoted above. It does violate the rule as it was written in 1980, which I also quoted above. I think the current rule is relatively clear, and the shot in the first video pretty clearly does not violate that rule. It is a perfectly legal and admirable shot, requiring both skill and knowledge.
 
What I see in that first video is the CB jumping the edge of the green on its way to the red. If I'm seeing correctly, is that not a foul?
 
If it were jumping the green then yes it'd be a foul but if you freeze the video just before the shot i'd say theres enough room for a normal shot to go between the red and the green hiiting the blue, in which case in the air on its way to the red theres no way it jumps the green.

One of the cases where you'd need the beebs computor gizmo to prove it whats it called I forget.?
 
I would personally never buy any of these cues, today they aren't very good at all (thats being kind) in my view. In my opinion John Parris is probably the best Snooker Cue maker in the business. He works out of South London (UK) but will ship anywhere. There are some other really good cue makers Cuecraft from Norhtern England were always pretty good as were Craftsman Cues. Hope that helps.
 
Get it right please Georgia Boy, Parris is the best known cuemaker which is a million miles from being the best cuemaker.

He's well known because he's had freebie adverts on the beeb. His prices are nothing short of extortion, hie eight or so employees make most of the cues he sells. Oh and of all the pros that use his cues, ever wondered how many of them paid for them? None i bet, considering he's hanging around at almost every major tournament offering cues to the pros for free.

Marketing supremo definately, but just an average cuemaker.
 
Maybe I should quantify my statement, if you can get John to make you a cue, not one of his workers. I still believe when you can get him to make one himself he's one of the best in the business, definately not average.

The last time I met John was when he made my cue about 20 years ago and yes John himself made it. I was really pleased with the outcome and happy to pay th price which was about double what I would have paid from Cuecraft or Craftsman. However what I did get was input at every stage of the process and was able to change things as we went along. I miss that cue and wished I had brought it out here with me but wasn't to be.

I'm sure Wity has more up to date information on Parris Cues and where they stand now so I bow to his more up to date knowledge on this and perhaps he can suggest something more suitable.
 
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