Snooker

jordan23042000

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I've been watching a lot of snooker on YouTube and goddamn, these guys are crazy good. I've been watching snooker coaching videos as well. I'd love to see Ronnie o give American pool a serious go. Although I'm sure he never would. It seems like the disorganized pool world might actually fit his personality better. Some of them are very good showmen as well (Steve Davis, reminds me of Alex). It's not hard to see why they have more popularity than pool.

A few questions. Is it just me or do all there tips look mushroomed? Are the cues shorter? And why brass ferrules?


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I've been watching a lot of snooker on YouTube and goddamn, these guys are crazy good. I've been watching snooker coaching videos as well. I'd love to see Ronnie o give American pool a serious go. Although I'm sure he never would. It seems like the disorganized pool world might actually fit his personality better. Some of them are very good showmen as well (Steve Davis, reminds me of Alex). It's not hard to see why they have more popularity than pool.

A few questions. Is it just me or do all there tips look mushroomed? Are the cues shorter? And why brass ferrules?


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Glad to see that you have an appreciation for how good these guys shoot stick :thumbup:
Questions:
Tips look mushroomed - Yes this is quite common, some players even use a slight larger tip to the size of the ferrule (10mm ferrule, 11mm tip) to create this mushroomed feel. This is the reason why I have no issue with mushrooming, however I respect the fact the Pool is a different game with a different desired feel.

Cues - most Snooker cues are thinner in taper from butt to ferrule. 58" is a usual standard length so not too dissimilar to pool.

Brass ferrules: Phenolic ferrules produce a lot of air at the point of impact therefore creating more elasticated / bounce feel which is great for pool due to the size of balls. However, Snooker balls are smaller and lighter and a more direct / punch feel of hit is desired which is what the Brass Ferrule produces.

I'm sure more individuals can add more info for you
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Some players, Mark Allen, for example, have an immaculate cue tips.
Then there are guys like former World Champion Peter EBdon ...
 

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If Ronnie o took a year to practice straight pool do you think he could run 200+? 300+? 400+? It seems like a lot of them would make good straight pool or even one pocket players


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ronnie tried pool for a bit back when there was a little more $$ in it. the games don't translate as well as you might think. snooker players specialize in the precision and ball pocketing, but not as much extreme english shots under pressure like pool pros do.
that said...i do love watching snooker. those guys are a totally different breed.
 
I saw some video of him playing pool. It seemed like he hadn't really practiced at all and didn't take it very seriously. From what I saw of Steve Davis playing pool he looked very strong, but he couldn't break worth a damn. I know you can't really tell just from watching some short races.
In the mizerak challenge I also thought mizerak had good accuracy on the snooker table


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Stuart Pettman likes to dabble in pool. Here he is running 117 on the 10' "bigfoot" at the DCC in 2013. He has spent 11 seasons on the pro snooker tour, with a highest ranking of 35 (2009/10 season). Give Ronnie the motivation to play pool & it would be amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je5faff3uvc
 
Hi,

there are a lot of great Snooker players playing pool videos on youtube.
My personal favourite is Ronnie O' against Xiaoting Pan, even in varied disciplines, or even the old Mosconi Cups with Steve Davis and Ronnie O' .

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ronnie+o'sullivan+xiaoting

Also Stephen Hendry is dabbling in pool now, the Chinese 8-ball masters are also great (8-ball on a 9 foot snooker table) where you'll see pool cues as well as snooker cues.

One of the best snooker matches however is the safety battle in the 2015 World Snooker Championship, I think with Shaun Murphy where they stack like 7 balls in and around a pocket. Don't have the link ready.

Cheers,
M
 
ronnie tried pool for a bit back when there was a little more $$ in it. the games don't translate as well as you might think. snooker players specialize in the precision and ball pocketing, but not as much extreme english shots under pressure like pool pros do.
that said...i do love watching snooker. those guys are a totally different breed.

Bs. Every time he played pool he was using a snooker cue which makes American pool harder and he still had no problem running out under pressure lol there's a reason Allison fisher ran over the competition as soon as she got here. 9 ball is a joke compared to snooker. If American pool players could play snooker they would .. There's actually money there. But it would take a year or more of focused practice to even hope to earn there way in.

I believe Ronnie said in an interview that his worst year in snooker he still made close to 200 grand lol no money in American pool so there's no chance he will waste his time with it.
 
Sigh...

Snooker v Pool round 3845


Snooker and pool are only similar in the potting, in all other respects they are different.

If pool was all about breaking, potting and clearing - frame after frame - the snooker players would already be dominating.

But it isn't is it?
 
Sigh...

Snooker v Pool round 3845


Snooker and pool are only similar in the potting, in all other respects they are different.

If pool was all about breaking, potting and clearing - frame after frame - the snooker players would already be dominating.

But it isn't is it?
That's the point. Every time snooker players have they've had no problem making the adjustment but with the pathetic state of American pool other then the misconi cup why would they bother. Stop trying to act like we're comparing football to baseball. There a lot a like except snooker takes a hell of a lot more accuracy and its played on a much larger table where pool in this country is played on miniature kiddy equipment in comparison.

I've said it 100 times.. If American pool players could play snooker with all the money and sponsors they would ... They can't and they know it. Seeing how well snooker players can easily adjust to American rotation is only a you tube search a way lol
 
I believe that Selby won an 8-ball world championship this winter. Paid real big. Unless there is another Mark Selby, I think many snooker players would compete in pool tournaments for the right money.
 
That's the point. Every time snooker players have they've had no problem making the adjustment but with the pathetic state of American pool other then the misconi cup why would they bother. Stop trying to act like we're comparing football to baseball. There a lot a like except snooker takes a hell of a lot more accuracy and its played on a much larger table where pool in this country is played on miniature kiddy equipment in comparison.

I've said it 100 times.. If American pool players could play snooker with all the money and sponsors they would ... They can't and they know it. Seeing how well snooker players can easily adjust to American rotation is only a you tube search a way lol

True. It is not PC to say one cue sports is harder than another . It is easier to snooker player to master pool than for pool player (eg. Alex, Corey) to master snooker



I believe that Selby won an 8-ball world championship this winter. Paid real big. Unless there is another Mark Selby, I think many snooker players would compete in pool tournaments for the right money.

I think you are referring to C8B World earlier this year . Darren won it in final beating Selby :)
 
That's the point. Every time snooker players have they've had no problem making the adjustment but with the pathetic state of American pool other then the misconi cup why would they bother. Stop trying to act like we're comparing football to baseball. There a lot a like except snooker takes a hell of a lot more accuracy and its played on a much larger table where pool in this country is played on miniature kiddy equipment in comparison.

I've said it 100 times.. If American pool players could play snooker with all the money and sponsors they would ... They can't and they know it. Seeing how well snooker players can easily adjust to American rotation is only a you tube search a way lol

There's zero snooker scene in the US. Most rooms might have 2 tables at most, and even if an American pool player wanted to take up Snooker full time, it'd be tough to find the competition stateside to improve their game and take it to the next level. They'd have to move to the UK and spend a few years getting seasoning, which is pretty much an impossibility given the financial situation most pool players find themselves in.

Steve Davis said the exact same thing about him and pool, Just because a few snooker players can manage to win a short set now and then, doesn't mean they're anywhere near the level of American pool playing professionals. Ronnie O'Sullivan, after practicing for a year, finished behind Loree Jon Jones in the IPT :embarrassed2:. And Jimmy White couldn't even win a match, only managing two break and run outs, while 80 year olds like Ray Martin were beating the likes of Corey Deuel.

I also hate the "transition" argument. The reason the "transition" appears to be easier is because pool, especially 9 ball, has more variance. I see sets in 9 ball as equivalent to frames in snooker, and if 9 ball tournies were structured to eliminate that variance (i.e. best of 5 sets, each set a race to 10), snooker players would fare similarly as American pool players do in snooker.

Anyhow, pool players can play snooker at a high level with limited experience. Steve Mizerak won a frame against Steve Davis in that 80's challenge match (using his pool cue and firing in 9 foot long pots like no one's business) and Oliver Ortmann had a 75 unfinished break (also using his pool cue) against Quinten Hann in the '99 Lindrum masters.

I think the best game we have at the moment to compare the relative cueing prowess of pool players vs. snooker players is Chinese 8-ball. Those tables are more snooker tables than pool tables, and are built more for the snooker player's punch and stun stroke than the pool player's power stroke. The pockets are cut so that you can't use too many pool playing angles and English and have to, again, use lots of stun and punch. Other than the game being 8-ball (which many snooker players are familiar with playing British 8-ball), a snooker player should have the advantage in that game.

But we saw Earl beat Hendry (both players of the same vintage) and Appleton beat Selby in the Finals.

Point is, snooker players aren't inherently better cueists just because they play on a larger table with smaller pockets. Nor is snooker an inherently harder game (how do you quantify harder, anyhow? The difficulty of any game is usually defined by how good your opponent is) just because of the length of the table and its tight pockets. Balls are harder to make, yes, but since pool is a more offensive game, means you get punished more easily by your opponent for your mistakes. In snooker, you can easily use length in a safety battle, without needing to hook your opponent. In 9-ball, you better lock up or you could be dead, for multiple racks.

As the other guy said, snooker vs. pool...sigh.
 
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... Ronnie O'Sullivan, after practicing for a year, finished behind Loree Jon Jones in the IPT :embarrassed2:. And Jimmy White couldn't even win a match, only managing two break and run outs, while 80 year olds like Ray Martin were beating the likes of Corey Deuel. ...

O'Sullivan played in only one IPT event, and he finished ahead of Jones in that event. [But results in one event aren't too significant.]

Martin was "only" about 70 at that time.

--- Some good points in your post ---
 
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