So ESPN can't find time for pool?

Guys these type of threads keep coming about ESPN not showing pool of why isn’t pool in the Olympic and for the life of me I can’t understand why Azb people don’t get it!

pool is BORING to watch and fun to play!!! You guys really need to get this!

you could pay a non pool player to watch and still be may refuse!!! Hell even pool players sometimes cannot watch pool!!! It is very very boring

All of the games are boring to watch.. even 9ball!! You either invent a new game for pocket Billiards or just play solo… pool players aren’t famous nor rich for a reason!!

My guess is the only way pool may be watched is maybe a shootout quick pace game. Other than that nobody will show or watch pool

A shootout game may be accepted in the Olympic just needs few modifications. Has to be exciting and quick. Also with shootout you can have multiple players to compete in one game which makes it perfect for the Olympics
Whether people realize it or not (and most don't it seems), this was basically the correct answer the last 5,462 times that "why can't pool attract viewers/why can't pool get in the Olympics/why can't pool make it on TV/etc" was asked and it will be the correct answer the next 50 billion times it is every asked again in the future until and unless there are very drastic changes made to the game itself and the way it is marketed.

Nobody likes watching pool. Even pool players don't like watching pool. Look around at the next tournament you are at, whether it is you local tuesday night tourney, or a big pro event, and pay attention to how many players are watching. Even the players playing the event don't usually stick around to watch for the most part. If even the participants of an activity don't want to watch said activity you know that it is serious structural flaws from a viewing perspective and there is little chance you are ever going to be able to get people that aren't even into that sport/activity to become viewers in large numbers.

I'm not sure that big viewing success can ever be done for pool, at least in the U.S., but among the best chance for success among current formats are the teams games (ala Mosconi Cup and World Cup of Pool style) and ring games, both of which offering more excitement and viewer engagement by far than most formats.

Then you have to encourage more audience excitement and engagement (ala Mosconi Cup and darts), and then develop and showcase your characters/players more and develop story lines (ala football and every other major sport on earth). To that last point, it was once said that if you want to get your wife more interested in football, all you have to do it tell her "this guy here, he runs a charity for autism, and that guy there, he went to jail for beating his wife, and that other guy over there, he has adopted 6 kids from Jamaica, and the other guy over there, he was in a bad car accident last year and had to go through months of hospitalization and physical therapy to get back to where he is now" and then all of the sudden she is shockingly now at least somewhat interested in football. And its true, not just for your wife, but for everybody who wouldn't normally necessarily be a fan of something. You have to give people a reason to want to care about the people involved one way or another and then suddenly they are interested even if they wouldn't have ordinarily been interested in the underlying activity.

And of course there is more, but until you give a format that is inherently exciting (and most just aren't, especially the pool and tournament formats in most common use) and then of course showcase and encourage that excitement, and until you can give people a reason to want to care (develop your characters and story lines, and of course something like having teams representing certain geographical regions [like literally almost every other major sport in the world] always goes a long ways in giving human nature a reason to want to care), then you will have almost no chance for success ever until you can at least get those very core basics first.
 
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Whether people realize it or not (and most don't it seems), this was basically the correct answer the last 5,462 times that "why can't pool attract viewers/why can't pool get in the Olympics/why can't pool make it on TV/etc" was asked and it will be the correct answer the next 50 billion times it is every asked again in the future until and unless there are very drastic changes made to the game itself and the way it is marketed.

Nobody likes watching pool. Even pool players don't like watching pool. Look around at the next tournament you are at, whether it is you local tuesday night tourney, or a big pro event, and pay attention to how many players are watching. Even the players playing the event don't usually stick around to watch for the most part. If even the participants of an activity don't want to watch said activity you know that it is serious structural flaws from a viewing perspective and there is little chance you are ever going to be able to get people that aren't even into that sport/activity to become viewers in large numbers.

I'm not sure that big viewing success can ever be done for pool, at least in the U.S., but among the best chance for success among current formats are the teams games (ala Mosconi Cup and World Cup of Pool style) and ring games, both of which offering more excitement and viewer engagement by far than most formats.

Then you have to encourage more audience excitement and engagement (ala Mosconi Cup and darts), and then develop and showcase your characters/players more and develop story lines (ala football and every other major sport on earth). To that last point, it was once said that if you want to get your wife more interested in football, all you have to do it tell her "this guy here, he runs a charity for autism, and that guy there, he went to jail for beating his wife, and that other guy over there, he has adopted 6 kids from Jamaica, and the other guy over there, he was in a bad car accident last year and had to go through months of hospitalization and physical therapy to get back to where he is now" and then all of the sudden she is shockingly now at least somewhat interested in football. And its true, not just for your wife, but for everybody who wouldn't normally necessarily be a fan of something. You have to give people a reason to want to care about the people involved one way or another and then suddenly they are interested even if they wouldn't have ordinarily been interested in the underlying activity.

And of course there is more, but until you give a format that is inherently exciting (and most just aren't, especially the pool and tournament formats in most common use) and then of course showcase and encourage that excitement, and until you can give people a reason to want to care (develop your characters and story lines, and of course something like having teams representing certain geographical regions [like literally almost every other major sport in the world] always goes a long ways in giving human nature a reason to want to care), then you will have almost no chance for success ever until you can at least get those very core basics first.
And then you have Jimmy, who's never won any event, but sells cars for a living, likes fishing, hunting, and BBQ's but is also known to gamble with anyone if they spot him enough weight. He comes and plays in thses events in the hopes of snapping someone off on the side, because he don't stand a chance of winning the event, he just comes for the gambling!


Is that how you introduce the nobody's to the viewing audience to keep it exciting and hold their attention span?
 

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And then you have Jimmy, who's never won any event, but sells cars for a living, likes fishing, hunting, and BBQ's but is also known to gamble with anyone if they spot him enough weight. He comes and plays in thses events in the hopes of snapping someone off on the side, because he don't stand a chance of winning the event, he just comes for the gambling!


Is that how you introduce the nobody's to the viewing audience to keep it exciting and hold their attention span?
Well it doesn't have much to do with what I wrote, but I agree that along with having exciting formats and developing characters and story lines and giving people a reason to care, having those at the top of the heap in talent and skill is always ideal and you really need all of that for the best chances for success.

But if you don't make the format more exciting than pro level singles tournament pool the way it has been formatted and marketed for decades, and give people a reason to care, the fact that you have pros, even the very top pros, isn't going to make much difference (pro pool has had the very top players for decades and look how far that has gotten them towards creating a fan base and an appealing sport for spectators). Or put another way, while the talent level is of utmost importance, making the format and atmosphere exciting, and giving people a reason to want to watch and to want to care, is obviously even more important.
 
Well it doesn't have much to do with what I wrote, but I agree that along with having exciting formats and developing characters and story lines and giving people a reason to care, having those at the top of the heap in talent and skill is always ideal and you really need all of that for the best chances for success.

But if you don't make the format more exciting than pro level singles tournament pool the way it has been formatted and marketed for decades, and give people a reason to care, the fact that you have pros, even the very top pros, isn't going to make much difference (pro pool has had the very top players for decades and look how far that has gotten them towards creating a fan base and an appealing sport for spectators). Or put another way, while the talent level is of utmost importance, making the format and atmosphere exciting, and giving people a reason to want to watch and to want to care, is obviously even more important.
There's always an excitement about playing matches for huge dollar amounts, something Pro pool has always been missing.
 
There's always an excitement about playing matches for huge dollar amounts, something Pro pool has always been missing.

All of Pool should be under Unbrella of One Group, like other sports.

Then you would have the power of one group control all of Pool.

Just like NFL does with Pro Football, and they Sub Group also have ties to youth flag & tackle leagues.

PGA does that with Golf, SR.,PGA, and LPGA. Those player do not get rubber check, or stuff when they win money in PGA Event.
 
There's always an excitement about playing matches for huge dollar amounts, something Pro pool has always been missing.
More money certainly helps but mostly you have it backwards from what I can piece together. You seem to think sponsors and money will almost automatically bring the fans, and that is just not how it usually works in the real world. Aside from it mostly being common sense, there are a million examples across many endeavors that can be looked at to see that this rarely works. The IPT is an example from the pool world where lots of money was dumped into the thing and you can see just how mainstream of a sport that made pool, and how massive that grew pool's fan base.

But they didn't do it for long enough to give it the best chance to work somebody is likely to argue. The thing is though, nobody is going to pour enormous amounts of money into something for very long before the jump out of that sinking ship. And even if they did, it would only have a small outside chance of working anyway.

The proper formula is not "get the money and get the sponsors, which will in turn get you the fans, which will in turn get you success". That formula rarely works, and even if it might there isn't anybody that is going to keep dumping the large sums of money required for the amount of time that would be required to give it half a chance to work, especially when they know how low the odds are for it actually ultimately working.

The formula with the best chance of working--always--is "build up the fan base, which will in turn let you build up the sponsors and the money, which will in turn lead to the success"--and it is generally a gradual process that is a work in progress.

Building the fan base is both the key to and the first step in the process, and you are only going to build up the fan base in pool by changing to more exciting formats, and giving people a reason to want to watch and to want to care. Or you can keep trying to build the fan base with the same ole pool product that everybody else has been using for decades and failing with, and keep making excuses about how it isn't the pool product itself that has been the problem all along. After a while, coincidences are no longer coincidences.
 
All of Pool should be under Unbrella of One Group, like other sports.

Then you would have the power of one group control all of Pool.

Just like NFL does with Pro Football, and they Sub Group also have ties to youth flag & tackle leagues.

PGA does that with Golf, SR.,PGA, and LPGA. Those player do not get rubber check, or stuff when they win money in PGA Event.
Welcome to my plans😉

Worldwide Sports and Games non-profit!
 
Welcome to my plans😉

Worldwide Sports and Games non-profit!

Well the people doing the work of putting your idea, expect no payday if the plan flies.

Honestly if you are working for free, or have people working for free without no benefit if you making money. Your either lucky, or have people who do not know their worth.

When I had my business, I had standard day rates. If someone want to try, and try to talk me down on my worth. I would say I do not work that cheap, or I am already busy that day, or just hang up on them.
 
Well the people doing the work of putting your idea, expect no payday if the plan flies.

Honestly if you are working for free, or have people working for free without no benefit if you making money. Your either lucky, or have people who do not know their worth.

When I had my business, I had standard day rates. If someone want to try, and try to talk me down on my worth. I would say I do not work that cheap, or I am already busy that day, or just hang up on them.
Non-profit doesn't mean work for nothing. My sister-in-law runs a non-profit organization dealing with the arts and even teaches others how to set up their own non-profit organizations. She's also an expert at obtaining government grants.

You would not believe how much money there is floating around that you can get your hands on if you know how. I would guarantee she could get me money to run pool tournaments paid for by the government. She lives in a $2 million dollar home on Fort Lauderdale Beach.
 
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Non-profit doesn't mean work for nothing. My sister-in-law runs a non-profit organization dealing with the arts and even teaches others how to set up their own non-profit organizations. She lives in a $2 million dollar home on Fort Lauderdale Beach.


Well I know Banner Health is a Not for Profit, their CEO makes about 5 Million bucks a year, this year no raise for the pawns (staff) blaming Covid 19, that their hospital made 30K per Covid Death. Many TRAMA deaths were secondary to Covid.
 
Well the people doing the work of putting your idea, expect no payday if the plan flies.

Honestly if you are working for free, or have people working for free without no benefit if you making money. Your either lucky, or have people who do not know their worth.

When I had my business, I had standard day rates. If someone want to try, and try to talk me down on my worth. I would say I do not work that cheap, or I am already busy that day, or just hang up on them.
You have no idea😅🤣😂
 
You have no idea😅🤣😂


Actually I do I had a small business that paid me well almost 30 years, I was as busy as I want to be, did not mind work 70-80 hours a week, as it was also fun. Because I know nothing as you think, I retired in 1998. Do I still work a day, here or their? Might if money is really good.
 
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