So ESPN can't find time for pool?

realkingcobra said:
You know what I'm doing, are you sure you want to make that bet😅
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Fatboy is not stupid, he is a sharp business person. If Fatboy is willing to bet RKC will go down in flame, I think Fatbay might know more about business then some guy who travels the country recovering pool tabes.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Fatboy is not stupid, he is a sharp business person. If Fatboy is willing to bet RKC will go down in flame, I think Fatbay might know more about business then some guy who travels the country recovering pool tabes.
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Hmmm, is Fatboy still in business today?
 
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CocoboloCowboy said:
Fatboy is not stupid, he is a sharp business person. If Fatboy is willing to bet RKC will go down in flame, I think Fatbay might know more about business then some guy who travels the country recovering pool tabes.
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What makes you think i don't have 5 other business owners involved in my plans,, ALL successful business owners today,, are you implying THEY are all stupid as well as me?
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Fatboy is not stupid, he is a sharp business person. If Fatboy is willing to bet RKC will go down in flame, I think Fatbay might know more about business then some guy who travels the country recovering pool tabes.
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Was Fatboys business in the live streaming industry? Is YOUR background in the live streaming industry??
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Fatboy is not stupid, he is a sharp business person. If Fatboy is willing to bet RKC will go down in flame, I think Fatbay might know more about business then some guy who travels the country recovering pool tabes.
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What is YOUR background that you feel makes you're smart enough to tell me I can't do what I'm doing???
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Fatboy is not stupid, he is a sharp business person. If Fatboy is willing to bet RKC will go down in flame, I think Fatbay might know more about business then some guy who travels the country recovering pool tabes.
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And another question for you, what makes you think the only thing I know how to do is work on pool tables? That's a little short sided on your part, isn't it? Do you know my educational background???
 
Poolplaya9 said:
More money certainly helps but mostly you have it backwards from what I can piece together. You seem to think sponsors and money will almost automatically bring the fans, and that is just not how it usually works in the real world. Aside from it mostly being common sense, there are a million examples across many endeavors that can be looked at to see that this rarely works. The IPT is an example from the pool world where lots of money was dumped into the thing and you can see just how mainstream of a sport that made pool, and how massive that grew pool's fan base.

But they didn't do it for long enough to give it the best chance to work somebody is likely to argue. The thing is though, nobody is going to pour enormous amounts of money into something for very long before the jump out of that sinking ship. And even if they did, it would only have a small outside chance of working anyway.

The proper formula is not "get the money and get the sponsors, which will in turn get you the fans, which will in turn get you success". That formula rarely works, and even if it might there isn't anybody that is going to keep dumping the large sums of money required for the amount of time that would be required to give it half a chance to work, especially when they know how low the odds are for it actually ultimately working.

The formula with the best chance of working--always--is "build up the fan base, which will in turn let you build up the sponsors and the money, which will in turn lead to the success"--and it is generally a gradual process that is a work in progress.

Building the fan base is both the key to and the first step in the process, and you are only going to build up the fan base in pool by changing to more exciting formats, and giving people a reason to want to watch and to want to care. Or you can keep trying to build the fan base with the same ole pool product that everybody else has been using for decades and failing with, and keep making excuses about how it isn't the pool product itself that has been the problem all along. After a while, coincidences are no longer coincidences.
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You seem to think you know something about sponsors, so what would you say about a sponsor already spending $500M a year on advertising with no guaranteed return on their spending budget, would you say they're wasting their money???
 
Poolplaya9 said:
More money certainly helps but mostly you have it backwards from what I can piece together. You seem to think sponsors and money will almost automatically bring the fans, and that is just not how it usually works in the real world. Aside from it mostly being common sense, there are a million examples across many endeavors that can be looked at to see that this rarely works. The IPT is an example from the pool world where lots of money was dumped into the thing and you can see just how mainstream of a sport that made pool, and how massive that grew pool's fan base.

But they didn't do it for long enough to give it the best chance to work somebody is likely to argue. The thing is though, nobody is going to pour enormous amounts of money into something for very long before the jump out of that sinking ship. And even if they did, it would only have a small outside chance of working anyway.

The proper formula is not "get the money and get the sponsors, which will in turn get you the fans, which will in turn get you success". That formula rarely works, and even if it might there isn't anybody that is going to keep dumping the large sums of money required for the amount of time that would be required to give it half a chance to work, especially when they know how low the odds are for it actually ultimately working.

The formula with the best chance of working--always--is "build up the fan base, which will in turn let you build up the sponsors and the money, which will in turn lead to the success"--and it is generally a gradual process that is a work in progress.

Building the fan base is both the key to and the first step in the process, and you are only going to build up the fan base in pool by changing to more exciting formats, and giving people a reason to want to watch and to want to care. Or you can keep trying to build the fan base with the same ole pool product that everybody else has been using for decades and failing with, and keep making excuses about how it isn't the pool product itself that has been the problem all along. After a while, coincidences are no longer coincidences.
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How much experience to you have with the foreign viewing audience around the world?
 
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Poolplaya9 said:
More money certainly helps but mostly you have it backwards from what I can piece together. You seem to think sponsors and money will almost automatically bring the fans, and that is just not how it usually works in the real world. Aside from it mostly being common sense, there are a million examples across many endeavors that can be looked at to see that this rarely works. The IPT is an example from the pool world where lots of money was dumped into the thing and you can see just how mainstream of a sport that made pool, and how massive that grew pool's fan base.

But they didn't do it for long enough to give it the best chance to work somebody is likely to argue. The thing is though, nobody is going to pour enormous amounts of money into something for very long before the jump out of that sinking ship. And even if they did, it would only have a small outside chance of working anyway.

The proper formula is not "get the money and get the sponsors, which will in turn get you the fans, which will in turn get you success". That formula rarely works, and even if it might there isn't anybody that is going to keep dumping the large sums of money required for the amount of time that would be required to give it half a chance to work, especially when they know how low the odds are for it actually ultimately working.

The formula with the best chance of working--always--is "build up the fan base, which will in turn let you build up the sponsors and the money, which will in turn lead to the success"--and it is generally a gradual process that is a work in progress.

Building the fan base is both the key to and the first step in the process, and you are only going to build up the fan base in pool by changing to more exciting formats, and giving people a reason to want to watch and to want to care. Or you can keep trying to build the fan base with the same ole pool product that everybody else has been using for decades and failing with, and keep making excuses about how it isn't the pool product itself that has been the problem all along. After a while, coincidences are no longer coincidences.
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How much experience do you have with SVOD streaming? That's subscription video on demand viewing just so you're aware.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
All of Pool should be under Umbrella of One Group, like other sports.

Then you would have the power of one group control all of Pool.

Just like NFL does with Pro Football, and they Sub Group also have ties to youth flag & tackle leagues.

PGA does that with Golf, SR.,PGA, and LPGA. Those player do not get rubber check, or stuff when they win money in PGA Event.
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Ever heard of the USGA, R&A, PGA of America, PGA European Tour etc? LPGA is completely different as well.

Different organizations working together for a common goal.
 
realkingcobra said:
How does free pool viewing on YouTube translate into sponsorship dollars to support pool? Everyone who makes these suggestions must think money is going to just fall out of the sky. Clicks on YouTube videos interest advertisers, but thats AFTER the fact, whos putting up the money to create those YouTube videos in the first place, or are players expected to WAIT to get paid, based on video clicks? Then, who's going to be doing the playing?.
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It would have to build from the ground up, but that's how most things seem to work on youtube, some amateur does it on his own dime, people watch, maybe it becomes more professional as it grows, or maybe someone bigger copies the proven formula...
If it had to start with less meaningful matches, presented in an engaging, watchable way, so be it. (And let's face it, even for TV pool, almost all tournaments are ultimately unimportant, the players aren't really big celebrities.)

But what would make it engaging and watchable, I'm not sure.
 
A person can argue for 15 years about how they have a plan that will work or they could just get on with it and show the world it works.

All this talk is wasted time. Nobody here is stopping you and you don't think anyone else in the world knows more than you about anything, so nobody here can help you.

Get on with it.

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RKC is busy punching keyboard, wonder if he is spending the same energy building his One Pool Governing Body-Pool ETOPIA? Talking to & making contracts with Big Bucks Sponsors, Getting a Venue for Big Launch Event In March 22?

Wonder how all Pool Big Fish with individual pool pond could react?????

Do not think APA, CSI, BCAPL, etc are going to thank RKC for putting them under?

Can not see them going down with out dog fight. Pack of Digs destroy Cobra, would be headline in Billiards News.
 
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CocoboloCowboy said:
RKC is busy punching keyboard, wonder if he is spending the same energy building his One Pool Governing Body-Pool ETOPIA? Talking to & making contracts with Big Bucks Sponsors, Getting a Venue for Big Launch Event In March 22?

Wonder how all Pool Big Fish with individual pool pond could react?????

Do not think APA, CSI, BCAPL, etc are going to thank RKC for putting them under?

Can not see them going down with out dog fight. Pack of Digs destroy Cobra, would be headline in Billiards News.
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I swear, you have the mentality of a 2nd grader. How does a Professional level division of pool players, playing for sponsorship money, effect the pool leagues you mentioned, and put them UNDER?????
 
realkingcobra said:
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I swear, you have the mentality of a 2nd grader. How does a Professional level division of pool players, playing for sponsorship money, effect the pool leagues you mentioned, and put them UNDER?????
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If all of Pool was under one group, like most sports.

You would have number to show potential advertisers.

You think MLB & NFL affailaye with kids leagues for fun. It all marketing, and building fan base.

Do you fell tall calling name? Or are you just an asshat?
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
If all of Pool was under one group, like most sports.

You would have number to show potential advertisers.

You think MLB & NFL affailaye with kids leagues for fun. It all marketing, and building fan base.

Do you fell tall calling name? Or are you just an asshat?
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Did I call you a name? No, I said you have the mentality of a 2nd grader, and that's giving you a lot of credit!
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
If all of Pool was under one group, like most sports.

You would have number to show potential advertisers.

You think MLB & NFL affailaye with kids leagues for fun. It all marketing, and building fan base.

Do you fell tall calling name? Or are you just an asshat?
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And yes, pool has room for one sanctioning body made up of Professional pool players, no amateurs, and that has no effect on any other pool leagues around the world, unless you think all pool leagues are surviving because of the Professional pool players, is that what you think?
 
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