So ESPN can't find time for pool?

[CocoboloCowboy]

Do you actually read what you post? A 2nd grader could put sentences together better than you!

I read your post, still think one Group for all Pool would give smart person more clout when trying to sell advertisers.

Most real sports have just one governing body.

Pool is tying to run with duck tape & prayers. Too many groups fighting over the same players, player move from
League to league hoping next stop is not another screw job.

 

[realkingcobra]

I read your post, still think one Group for all Pool would give smart person more clout when trying to sell advertisers.

Most real sports have just one governing body.

And do those governing bodies you mention, control the professional level of their sports, or both the professional and amateurs as well?

 

[Pin]

A person can argue for 15 years about how they have a plan that will work or they could just get on with it and show the world it works.

All this talk is wasted time. Nobody here is stopping you and you don't think anyone else in the world knows more than you about anything, so nobody here can help you.

Get on with it.

Not sure who this was aimed at. If it was my post above yours, I'm not saying I'm going to do the video thing, because I don't have the time or the skills or the knowledge of what specifically is needed to make that sort of thing entertaining. I'm just saying that it's there, within the reach of someone with moderate computer skills, a bit of free time, and an idea of what might work.

 

[realkingcobra]

I read your post, still think one Group for all Pool would give smart person more clout when trying to sell advertisers.

Most real sports have just one governing body.

Pool is tying to run with duck tape & prayers. Too many groups fighting over the same players, player move from
League to league hoping next stop is not another screw job.

Keep in mind, pool leagues are NOT governing bodies, they're the amateur pool league systems, competing against each other for customers!

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

And do those governing bodies you mention, control the professional level of their sports, or both the professional and amateurs as well?

Go reread and you will see answer to your question answered like twice already.

Thought you were building something?

 

[justnum]

ESPN is not as important as distributors.

The best way to introduce the sport is to have distribution of equipment.

Very few mainstream stores carry billiards or billiards related equipment. The magazines or stores that do carry the equipment are substandard and can make for a bad experience.

ESPN viewing audience its too segmented they have like 12 channels. Its not the ESPN of the 90s.

Todays ESPN is for specific sports market. ESpN feels like a recruiting tool for college athletes to become interested in specific colleges or sports.

a parent looking for their kids to have fun at home might make the purchase.

 

[realkingcobra]

Go reread and you will see answer to your question answered like twice already.

Thought you were building something?

I'm not building shit, never said I was. I'm simply organizing the top level players of this sport, putting them in their OWN division, which creates a separation between those who belong there, and those that don't. That requires one sanctioning body worldwide to maintain the support, and organization of the professional pool players worldwide, a league of their own, fully funded. What part of that do you fail to understand? What part of that do you interpret as taking over all pool played worldwide and putting it under one authority???

 

[realkingcobra]

Go reread and you will see answer to your question answered like twice already.

Thought you were building something?

What I'm NOT doing is building a welfare system for the amateurs that like playing against the Professionals, so that THEY to can win sponsorship money as well as the Professionals....because they DESERVE the right to have a shot at any sponsorship money!!!

 

[realkingcobra]

Not sure who this was aimed at. If it was my post above yours, I'm not saying I'm going to do the video thing, because I don't have the time or the skills or the knowledge of what specifically is needed to make that sort of thing entertaining. I'm just saying that it's there, within the reach of someone with moderate computer skills, a bit of free time, and an idea of what might work.

What everyone fails to understand is that pool outside of this country has major viewer support, in every country around the world. Its only the American viewers that are so spoiled that they feel pool should be free to watch, which is why everyone submits pool related videos to the garbage channel YouTube. Just look at how many people are streaming pool tournaments, streaming themselves playing pool at home....on their valley 7ft pool tables like....hey, look at me, I can play pool too! Its a joke in this country. Nothing i live stream will ever make it to YouTube, and if anyone thinks they can record the live streamed matches and be the first to post them on YouTube hoping to collect those clicks to make money from uploading them to YouTube, well let's just say there's laws against that, like trade mark violations, and copyright violations as well, YouTube knows all about those laws. And if anyone thinks they can post "i do not own the rights to this video" as a disclaimer and post anyway, they're breaking the laws of copyrights no matter how they claim they have a right to do so.

 

[logical]

Not sure who this was aimed at. If it was my post above yours, I'm not saying I'm going to do the video thing, because I don't have the time or the skills or the knowledge of what specifically is needed to make that sort of thing entertaining. I'm just saying that it's there, within the reach of someone with moderate computer skills, a bit of free time, and an idea of what might work.

Not you

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[realkingcobra]

A person can argue for 15 years about how they have a plan that will work or they could just get on with it and show the world it works.

All this talk is wasted time. Nobody here is stopping you and you don't think anyone else in the world knows more than you about anything, so nobody here can help you.

Get on with it.

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There is no help from anyone on AZB, thats pretty clear. I wonder how many here realize if pool WAS on ESPN, viewing wouldn't be freeESPN is a subscription based streaming platform, $5.99 a month for ESPN+ and no matter how some here would argue that fact, saying they can watch it for free, sure you can, but you're still paying a subscription to SOMEONE to get ESPN+ as an add on to THAT subscription!! Americans are to cheap to pay to watch even the best players on this planet playing, they'll wait for the matches to show up later on YouTube for free! You can't fix cheap, just like you can't fix stupid!!

 

[Pin]

What everyone fails to understand is that pool outside of this country has major viewer support, in every country around the world. Its only the American viewers that are so spoiled that they feel pool should be free to watch, which is why everyone submits pool related videos to the garbage channel YouTube. Just look at how many people are streaming pool tournaments, streaming themselves playing pool at home....on their valley 7ft pool tables like....hey, look at me, I can play pool too! Its a joke in this country. Nothing i live stream will ever make it to YouTube, and if anyone thinks they can record the live streamed matches and be the first to post them on YouTube hoping to collect those clicks to make money from uploading them to YouTube, well let's just say there's laws against that, like trade mark violations, and copyright violations as well, YouTube knows all about those laws. And if anyone thinks they can post "i do not own the rights to this video" as a disclaimer and post anyway, they're breaking the laws of copyrights no matter how they claim they have a right to do so.

Which countries does it have major viewer support, willing to pay for the privilege? I guess China maybe?

I wasn't advocating illegal youtubing major tournaments. There's enough streamed pool, and it's easy enough to film, that it's unnecessary anyway. Some instructional youtube channels do very well already, because people want the content. If it's possible to make youtube competitive pool entertaining, someone will be able to do it with legitimately-filmed matches. And once the whole thing has some momentum, it would be straightforward to expand into legitimate videos of pro competition. But like I said, that's all contingent on someone figuring out how to make content people want to watch.

 

[realkingcobra]

Not sure who this was aimed at. If it was my post above yours, I'm not saying I'm going to do the video thing, because I don't have the time or the skills or the knowledge of what specifically is needed to make that sort of thing entertaining. I'm just saying that it's there, within the reach of someone with moderate computer skills, a bit of free time, and an idea of what might work.

It just amazes me that there are so many people so willing to bet against something that has never been done in this industry before, that the idea couldn't possibly work. Why is that? Never been tried before, but it can't possibly work! Pool on a Pro player level has NEVER been organized worldwide before. Real sponsors have never been brought into this sport before. Real Professionals only, no entry fee tournaments have never been held before. There's NEVER been a dividing line drawn between the Professionals and amateurs before.

The way to get sponsors, is to focus on the sponsors, not pool. You must first come up with a new advertising platform that will guarantee the sponsors a return on their sponsorship dollars, thats FIRST AND FORMOST! THEN sponsorship dollars become the byproduct of making the sponsors money through advertising!!!

There's international and national advertisers, do any of you even understand the differences between them? Then you have primary and secondary sponsors, do ANY of you understand the differences between them?

Hell no, not one of you understands anything, other than, NOTHING I do will work!!! The sport of POOL is definitely doomed if left up to you people to fix it and turn it into a profitable sport for the Professionals to compete at!!!

 

[realkingcobra]

Which countries does it have major viewer support, willing to pay for the privilege? I guess China maybe?

I wasn't advocating illegal youtubing major tournaments. There's enough streamed pool, and it's easy enough to film, that it's unnecessary anyway. Some instructional youtube channels do very well already, because people want the content. If it's possible to make youtube competitive pool entertaining, someone will be able to do it with legitimately-filmed matches. And once the whole thing has some momentum, it would be straightforward to expand into legitimate videos of pro competition. But like I said, that's all contingent on someone figuring out how to make content people want to watch.

How about a subscription based, viewer on demand streaming network for $5.99 a month, and the viewers have 24/7 access to all content recorded live, and stored on the cloud for future viewership, matches unavailable to be watched on YouTube for free, and viewing controlled by the viewer?

 

[Pin]

FWIW, I wasn't disagreeing with your pros group idea. I have no idea whether it'll work, but I hope it does. Good luck to you.

How about a subscription based, viewer on demand streaming network for $5.99 a month, and the viewers have 24/7 access to all content recorded live, and stored on the cloud for future viewership, matches unavailable to be watched on YouTube for free, and viewing controlled by the viewer?

Honestly, I think that until similar free content is showing success on youtube, I'd be skeptical about demand for paid streaming. But as you say, maybe it'd work.

 

[realkingcobra]

Which countries does it have major viewer support, willing to pay for the privilege? I guess China maybe?

I wasn't advocating illegal youtubing major tournaments. There's enough streamed pool, and it's easy enough to film, that it's unnecessary anyway. Some instructional youtube channels do very well already, because people want the content. If it's possible to make youtube competitive pool entertaining, someone will be able to do it with legitimately-filmed matches. And once the whole thing has some momentum, it would be straightforward to expand into legitimate videos of pro competition. But like I said, that's all contingent on someone figuring out how to make content people want to watch.

How about a worldwide Sports and Games non-profit organization to where sports bars and pool rooms from around the world can be clicked on, and viewers can watch the Friday night pool taking place in Russia, Japan, America, Philippines, Albania, Croatia, and many, many other countries.....without ever getting up from your chair at home????

 

[realkingcobra]

FWIW, I wasn't disagreeing with your pros group idea. I have no idea whether it'll work, but I hope it does. Good luck to you.

Honestly, I think that until similar free content is showing success on youtube, I'd be skeptical about demand for paid streaming. But as you say, maybe it'd work.

Free devalues everything, makes it cheap. There's a reason most pool rooms have the visibility blocked off from outside. If you can drive by and see no one's in the pool room, most customers don't stop in until later. But if you can't see inside, you'll park, then walk your ass inside, THEN see who's there. If you're THEN the only one in the pool room, chances are you'll get a table, start hitting some balls around, and WAIT for someone to show up!!!

Pool is all about how you present it to the audience you're going after.

 

[Pin]

How about a worldwide Sports and Games non-profit organization to where sports bars and pool rooms from around the world can be clicked on, and viewers can watch the Friday night pool taking place in Russia, Japan, America, Philippines, Albania, Croatia, and many, many other countries.....without ever getting up from your chair at home????

I do like the idea. I don't know if it would catch on, but who knows.
A lot of places do live streaming now. The concept could be tested with a hub linking people in to lots of interesting streams, but you'd have no editing or commentary working for you.

I wonder if a 'wide world of sport' style package of edited footage from streams of different cuesports around the word would work. I think again it would be dependent on finding a way to present it in a compelling way.

 

[realkingcobra]

FWIW, I wasn't disagreeing with your pros group idea. I have no idea whether it'll work, but I hope it does. Good luck to you.

Honestly, I think that until similar free content is showing success on youtube, I'd be skeptical about demand for paid streaming. But as you say, maybe it'd work.

Pool does have success on YouTube, do your realize how many views pool gets on YouTube? Over 100M views!! For free!!!

 

[realkingcobra]

I do like the idea. I don't know if it would catch on, but who knows.
A lot of places do live streaming now. The concept could be tested with a hub linking people in to lots of interesting streams, but you'd have no editing or commentary working for you.

I wonder if a 'wide world of sport' style package of edited footage from streams of different cuesports around the word would work. I think again it would be dependent on finding a way to present it in a compelling way.

Why does it need to be edited, the viewer has the ability to fast forward through any recorded content! Commentary, from bars and pool halls, just being a fly on the wall watching whats going on around the world, does that really need Commentary?