So this is how outsiders see our sport?

Give her some slack

TX Poolnut said:
What are your immediate thoughts?

There's more than 1 way to play pool
Joy James – Conn. Post Online

There's definitely an art to playing pool. I can truthfully say that I've not quite mastered it. Some would assume that pool is a game engineered to mathematically sink balls into the pockets using skill, geometry and some physics, yada, yada, yada. I'm convinced it's a game of chance, luck and, yes, I'll admit it, some skill. The skill I'm referring to depends on who is playing the game. I'm not talking about the people who see pool as a sport, join leagues and enter tournaments. I'm talking about people, like myself, that see pool purely as a recreational activity. If the players are a couple of guys, the game can get intense. It may involve some sort of wager to see which player has more know-how. If ladies are playing, they're probably playing for the enjoyment of it. They might want to see who can get the balls to go where they planned, based on how powerful they strike the cue ball. Another set of pool players might be devised of a mixed table, a gender split — women verses the men. There's no other way to say it. This type of game is pure war. When a man decides to play against a woman, he's playing for a couple of reasons. He might want to impress her with skills and win; help her to develop some skills of her own and not win; or, competing is just in his blood and he can't help himself — a sport is a sport. Period! When a woman allows a man to play against her, she's sending a couple of messages. She might feel that she has to let him win — to keep his ego intact; or, she beats the pants off of him, and realizes who really wears the trousers. The other approach is to act like you have no clue whatsoever about why you need to hit the same ball over and over again, so that the other pretty balls go in the hole things at the side of the table. Why not hit each ball directly? Well, hopefully no one is really that cue-less! Not to say that there aren't some excellent female pool players out there — I know ESPN has shown women's tournaments. When everything's said and done, a game is just that — a game. Unless you're a professional athlete and it's your job to make the rest of us — who are too lazy to get up and indulge in physical activity — just sit back and watch the sport.

Page designer Joy James writes monthly on Sundays. She can be reached at jjames@ctpost.com.

I'm surprised at the venom in this thread. I'm glad that she chose to write about pool. Writing about pool might encourage people to play and more people playing, well, that's a lot of people playing....you know the rest.

The point is, when someone writes a column, it's hard to continually come up with topics and eventually you're going to rub people the wrong way. I say give her a break and be glad for the publicity that pool got-good or bad.

I also think that we as Americans write nastygrams way too often. To the people that sent her a nasty email, have you ever sent an email to a writer that you didn't know to tell them how much you enjoyed reading their article? I try to balance the good and bad by writing two good letters (at least) for every nastygram that I write. I also try to phrase the nastygram so that it is tactful and takes issue with the opinion or error instead of the writer.

As someone who writes a column for a local newspaper, I can tell you that it's disheartening to get hate mail. I was recently called a 'fascist trying to create an elitist hovel' in print because I stated my opinion that young people should invest in real estate. I have never gotten an email or card from someone who enjoyed my column. Since I do it for the joy of it and don't get paid a dime, it can be even more discouraging to receive these types of letters.

One last point, after getting barraged with hate mail from pool players because they didn't see the humor in the way she depicted our sport, do you think she'll ever forray into writing something positive about our sport again?

Cheers,
RC
 
TX Poolnut said:
What are your immediate thoughts?

There's more than 1 way to play pool
Joy James – Conn. Post Online

The skill I'm referring to depends on who is playing the game. I'm not talking about the people who see pool as a sport, join leagues and enter tournaments. I'm talking about people, like myself, that see pool purely as a recreational activity.

I think some of you missed this part. She wasn't referring to the Pro's or even Amateurs.

She is right, for rank beginners, those who know nothing about the game and rarely play, it is very much a game of luck. It is a game luck because neither of the players have any clue what they are doing. They just aim at a paticular point, hit it hard and pray. It's what I did, once upon a time.

I kind of liked the article, because it reminds me of my banger days. Also it reminds of the first time I ever watched a pro run out. It was almost magical, I couldn't even concieve of doing what he did. Pool, Billiards and Snooker are such beautiful games that almost anyone who takes a moment to watch it, are enamored with it, if not for just a short time.

I often watch pool and snooker online at work, and every time somebody stops by and notices what I'm watching they always stick around to see more. That is whay I think Pool can be huge if it is marketed right. The skill of the pros seems almost impossible, perhaps even more impossible than the pro golfer.

Sorry I got off topic.

Oh yeah, giver her a break. She was righting from a recreational perspective. However I admit that was blinded by the "Pool requires no skill statement" too for moment.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JDB
9balllvr said:
As someone that moved cross country for "just a game", I take great offense to her remarks - not only that, but she writes for the paper in the state I moved to pursue my love of the game. I appreciate the fact that the original poster added her email addy, because I had to write to her - .........................................that live in southern CT that has never stepped into a pool room because mummy and daddy gave them their trust fund early in life - a pathetic waste of article space in the paper.

9balllvr


Keep it clean.

Thank you.

That fact of the matter is, the writer does not perceive pool as a true game of competition. She sees it as a game of leverage in a social interaction.

When I played in the APA, I heard a lot of remarks as to how "competitive" I appeared when I played. LOL!!

I no longer play in the APA. I am currently seeking a BCA/non handicap league in my area, or someone who will help me start one. Seriously.

Barbara
 
It seems everyone is edgy about the image of pool still being perceived as the game played in 'The Hustler' or 'The Color of Money'....I think possibly enough people outside of the industry have watched at least a few hours of what ESPN has been airing and hopefully they will see that as what is pro pool and also the dedicated amateur player....
________
 
Last edited:
A few thoughts..........

1. I wrote an email to Ms. James earlier and simply stated that there were very relevant facts that she neglected to include in her article - meaning, her article misrepresented the "pool" community (especially the women). I did relay the fact that media about pool is good no matter what the case, however, the lack of research into what she wrote only adds to the perception that the non-players assume about the game.

I also explained to her more about what it takes to get to the top and what work it takes (from my perspective). I did not bash in my email to her, only noted that she should have been more informed about her subject - RC, as a writer you should know, if you are going to write an article about anything, it is imperative to know what it is you are talking about? In this case, she did not do her research.

2. She did respond very promptly to my email and acknowledged that she was a "fan (and observer)" and was open to more information about the game. So, I invited her to a regional event so that she can see how women get to where they aspire to be in the game - whether or not she accepts, it doesn't matter - the offer is there.....I believe she understands that it is not just a "game" for some players......but a passion.

Just thought I would share her response.........
 
and for the record mr moderator, I can't believe after all of the rude, crude comments that have been on this board, you edited snotty a-holes..............
 
9balllvr said:
A few thoughts..........

1. I wrote an email to Ms. James earlier and simply stated that there were very relevant facts that she neglected to include in her article - meaning, her article misrepresented the "pool" community (especially the women). I did relay the fact that media about pool is good no matter what the case, however, the lack of research into what she wrote only adds to the perception that the non-players assume about the game.

I also explained to her more about what it takes to get to the top and what work it takes (from my perspective). I did not bash in my email to her, only noted that she should have been more informed about her subject - RC, as a writer you should know, if you are going to write an article about anything, it is imperative to know what it is you are talking about? In this case, she did not do her research.

2. She did respond very promptly to my email and acknowledged that she was a "fan (and observer)" and was open to more information about the game. So, I invited her to a regional event so that she can see how women get to where they aspire to be in the game - whether or not she accepts, it doesn't matter - the offer is there.....I believe she understands that it is not just a "game" for some players......but a passion.

Just thought I would share her response.........

The tone of your email to her sounds decidedly different than the tone of your post would imply it might be. Sorry if I jumped to conclusions, but I thought you would probably send her a nastygram based on the descriptive words you used in your post.

As to the bolded text, I did not defend the content of her article or say it was correct or incorrect. I just think tactful replies like the email you sent are the way to go instead of bashing her and/or throwing around vulgarity.

Some opinion pieces are more literary art than serious fact-finding and are intended to convey a feeling or atmosphere more than literal data and facts and should be taken in that spirit. In my opinion, this was one such piece.

Cheers,
RC
 
Last edited:
RC,

I did not assume you were talking about me - I added my reply because Ms. James responded to me and thought that the other readers of this thread to see that she was open to thought on her piece.

I also brought the point to the table about the articles directly to you because you mentioned you had written before, my thought was if you were to write an article, you would do some research or at least I would hope so - I know I would.

As far as the Mr. Moderator comment, in case you thought that one belonged to you, it was to Mr. Wilson (the one that edited my initial thread entry) because I used the words snotty and a-holes which I took great care to say nicely...trust me, I live here......that was putting it nicely......

9balllvr
 
pharaoh68 said:
This is far and away the dumbest thing that I have ever read.


That about sums it up for me. I did find it rather humourous how someone can try so hard to BS on a subject they know absolutely nothing about.
 
I see nothing wrong with someone who knows squat about the game itself writing an article about the social dynamics of recreational pool. However, the author of this article seems to be about as socially perceptive and insightful as Paris Hilton. I can't remember the last time I read so many cliche's squeezed into less than a page of text. If this is the best material the Connecticut Post can come up with, they're better off just publishing another advertisement.
 
Last edited:
I think the writer was pressed to come up with something to write and she wrote the article under duress....you know, deadlines. So I think we should give her some slack and thank her for writing about pool in the first place. Hopefully, she does go to that regional event 9balllvr wrote about and get a few more insights on the game...and write about her newfound love of pool as well!
 
When I carried a Badge & Gun for a Living in the 1970's ever call for service to a Pool Hall ment troble. Alway a Fight, Stabbing, Shooter, or some other NASTY CALL. Never answer one of there call until we has 2-3 Officers/Deputies. Pool Halls & Pool Players got a real bad rap....
 
PoolSleuth said:
When I carried a Badge & Gun for a Living in the 1970's ever call for service to a Pool Hall ment troble. Alway a Fight, Stabbing, Shooter, or some other NASTY CALL. Never answer one of there call until we has 2-3 Officers/Deputies. Pool Halls & Pool Players got a real bad rap....
They let you carry a gun?:eek: :D
 
9balllvr said:
and for the record mr moderator, I can't believe after all of the rude, crude comments that have been on this board, you edited snotty a-holes..............


OK, so let's see if I've got this straight.

I edited your post, and let you know and stated "keep it clean" but didn't go far as warning you.

So....with that in mind, you repost the statements I edited, ~~twice~~ and challenge me.


Ok.

You won the prize.

First warning.
 
Now ya went and done it 9ballvr. Ya got Mr. Wilsons pantys twisted all up in a dam knot. Now the rest of us is gonna have to pay for it. We is gonna have to watch what we say all day now. Thanks a pant load!!!!! I hope you are happy now!
Purdman

Always towing the line!
 
Response....

From: "Joy James" <jjames@ctpost.com>
To: cmssuits@cmssuits.com
Subject: RE: Your pool/billiards article....
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:11:26 -0600
X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.8
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by 2ki.2ki.net id k510BYJq030072


Mr. Brown,
Thank you for responding to my column in the Connecticut Post. I
thought I'd get some feedback, but I never imagined this. I AM an
outsider looking in, and as I stated there is an artform to it. I
love pool, whether TRYING to play it or watching it... I'm definitely
a fan. I do apologize if you were offended by my words...


Keep up the good work by setting the record straight.




---- Original Message ----
From: cmssuits@cmssuits.com
To: jjames@ctpost.com
Subject: RE: Your pool/billiards article....
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:33:51 -0400


>Dear Ms. James,
>
>Your article regarding pool was shallow, apethetic, and lacked
>research. The article was the most egregious I've ever read
>regarding
>pool/billiards.
>
>Donald Brown


-------------------


~~ Joy James ~~
Connecticut Post
410 State Street
Bridgeport, CT 06604
1-800-423-8058 x6385
 
sixpack said:
I'm surprised at the venom in this thread. I'm glad that she chose to write about pool. Writing about pool might encourage people to play and more people playing, well, that's a lot of people playing....you know the rest.

The point is, when someone writes a column, it's hard to continually come up with topics and eventually you're going to rub people the wrong way. I say give her a break and be glad for the publicity that pool got-good or bad.

I also think that we as Americans write nastygrams way too often. To the people that sent her a nasty email, have you ever sent an email to a writer that you didn't know to tell them how much you enjoyed reading their article? I try to balance the good and bad by writing two good letters (at least) for every nastygram that I write. I also try to phrase the nastygram so that it is tactful and takes issue with the opinion or error instead of the writer.

As someone who writes a column for a local newspaper, I can tell you that it's disheartening to get hate mail. I was recently called a 'fascist trying to create an elitist hovel' in print because I stated my opinion that young people should invest in real estate. I have never gotten an email or card from someone who enjoyed my column. Since I do it for the joy of it and don't get paid a dime, it can be even more discouraging to receive these types of letters.

One last point, after getting barraged with hate mail from pool players because they didn't see the humor in the way she depicted our sport, do you think she'll ever forray into writing something positive about our sport again?

Cheers,
RC

tap tap tap

Cripes, she's writing about POOL!!!!---you want to discourage that?!? All publicity is good publicity, unless it is filled with lies and gross distortions. I don't see this as bad for pool, maybe bad writing, but bad for pool?...not.

She's seeing pool from her limited viewpoint, a viewpoint shared by the masses, maybe. What if her message holds merit and can be useful? If I'm into marketing pool, I'd pay attention to her, one of the masses.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
 
Not exactly Tom Wolfe

TX Poolnut said:
What are your immediate thoughts?

There's more than 1 way to play pool
Joy James – Conn. Post Online

There's definitely an art to playing pool. I can truthfully say that I've not quite mastered it. Some would assume that pool is a game engineered to mathematically sink balls into the pockets using skill, geometry and some physics, yada, yada, yada. I'm convinced it's a game of chance, luck and, yes, I'll admit it, some skill. The skill I'm referring to depends on who is playing the game. I'm not talking about the people who see pool as a sport, join leagues and enter tournaments. I'm talking about people, like myself, that see pool purely as a recreational activity. If the players are a couple of guys, the game can get intense. It may involve some sort of wager to see which player has more know-how. If ladies are playing, they're probably playing for the enjoyment of it. They might want to see who can get the balls to go where they planned, based on how powerful they strike the cue ball. Another set of pool players might be devised of a mixed table, a gender split — women verses the men. There's no other way to say it. This type of game is pure war. When a man decides to play against a woman, he's playing for a couple of reasons. He might want to impress her with skills and win; help her to develop some skills of her own and not win; or, competing is just in his blood and he can't help himself — a sport is a sport. Period! When a woman allows a man to play against her, she's sending a couple of messages. She might feel that she has to let him win — to keep his ego intact; or, she beats the pants off of him, and realizes who really wears the trousers. The other approach is to act like you have no clue whatsoever about why you need to hit the same ball over and over again, so that the other pretty balls go in the hole things at the side of the table. Why not hit each ball directly? Well, hopefully no one is really that cue-less! Not to say that there aren't some excellent female pool players out there — I know ESPN has shown women's tournaments. When everything's said and done, a game is just that — a game. Unless you're a professional athlete and it's your job to make the rest of us — who are too lazy to get up and indulge in physical activity — just sit back and watch the sport.

Page designer Joy James writes monthly on Sundays. She can be reached at jjames@ctpost.com.

So my first thought was "what's a guy from Houston, TX doing reading the CT Post?"

But, then I thought obviously Ms. James is not an afficianado of the game, and knows little about it. It would seem she is attempting to write about it in the manner of your British cousin's reflections on attending his first baseball game...
"I'm afraid I don't get the game at all. In the main, there's little going on beyond an appalling amount of spitting and scratching, after which one side departs the pitch and another comes on so they can spit and scratch for a bit as well. This is repeated throughout the afternoon, accompanied by salted snacks and (can you believe it?) cold beer?"

Commmonwealth types can simply substitute their American cousin and uh, football (=soccer, futbol), and lukewarm suds.

Maybe she was really writing about the state of male-female relationships around the gaming table - in which case, the game could've been most anything, and the insights, well, the insights could've been more, uh, insightful. Ms. James doesn't have the same touch with social sub-cultures as does say, Tom Wolfe.

Oh lord, if we could only get Tom Wolfe to do a book on Pool - that would be a great impetus for the game! Anyone knowing this writer should call him immmediately! It'd be better than The Hustler & TCOM rolled into one....

At the end of the day, pool players weren't portrayed as muggers, buggers and thieves by Ms James, so it wasn't negative really, and maybe some readers will pick up a stick this weekend, and they might see someone who can play on the adjoining table, and ask a couple of questions and get hooked on the game...

no harm. no foul.

I live in CT too. The southern part. Trust me we don't all have trust funds.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top