Soaking Leather Tips

Howdy All;

I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention that I'm a huge fan of pooldawg8's
milkduds. Bought my first one 4 or 5 years ago. Put some on a few friends cues as well.
All are still in service and playing well. We ain't 4-8 hours/day players mostly
a few hours/week. But them still holdin' up extreamly well.

hank
 
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Been a long time since I experimented with duds. Supposedly it is the binder in milk or cream that makes leather more consistent. It isn't the milk fat so going from low fat to high fat products doesn't have much effect on how well the milk product binds with leather. I have tried from two percent to cream without much different result except it being harder to soak tips in thicker liquids.

Others have used oils or solvents on tips, or so they claimed. No idea if there is truth to these claims.

My tips seemed to work best when I soaked them in whole milk for three to five days in the refrigerator. I tried really crushing down on the tips and didn't like them. I wasn't really looking for a harder tip, just more durable. so I flattened down to about stock height.

I started sorting my Elkmaster's by size and weight before soaking. The ones that were extremely light hit the trash can. I needed a tip a time or two when I didn't have a dudded tip handy and found that the tips sorted by size and weight played just fine for me without dudding.

In my sampling I didn't like Le Pro. Quite obviously others had different experiences. Hides being natural products the leather can vary a lot from hide to hide and place on the hide too. Then there seems to be dozens of tanning processes. The leather is often in different stages of decomposition before tanning too.

I would have thought that a synthetic would have taken over from leather long ago. The new super pricey layered tips may bring in some things that weren't possible to price competitively with fifty cent leather tips. Of course some rules ban nonleather tips.

Dudding seems to make some marginal tips playable. If I sort and start with good tips the milk or whatever seems to have little room to be absorbed. Some tips swell to maybe three times their original height but I question what all they have absorbed to do that, and does it remain in the tip after squeezed?

Hu
 
Been a long time since I experimented with duds. Supposedly it is the binder in milk or cream that makes leather more consistent. It isn't the milk fat so going from low fat to high fat products doesn't have much effect on how well the milk product binds with leather. I have tried from two percent to cream without much different result except it being harder to soak tips in thicker liquids.

Others have used oils or solvents on tips, or so they claimed. No idea if there is truth to these claims.

My tips seemed to work best when I soaked them in whole milk for three to five days in the refrigerator. I tried really crushing down on the tips and didn't like them. I wasn't really looking for a harder tip, just more durable. so I flattened down to about stock height.

I started sorting my Elkmaster's by size and weight before soaking. The ones that were extremely light hit the trash can. I needed a tip a time or two when I didn't have a dudded tip handy and found that the tips sorted by size and weight played just fine for me without dudding.

In my sampling I didn't like Le Pro. Quite obviously others had different experiences. Hides being natural products the leather can vary a lot from hide to hide and place on the hide too. Then there seems to be dozens of tanning processes. The leather is often in different stages of decomposition before tanning too.

I would have thought that a synthetic would have taken over from leather long ago. The new super pricey layered tips may bring in some things that weren't possible to price competitively with fifty cent leather tips. Of course some rules ban nonleather tips.

Dudding seems to make some marginal tips playable. If I sort and start with good tips the milk or whatever seems to have little room to be absorbed. Some tips swell to maybe three times their original height but I question what all they have absorbed to do that, and does it remain in the tip after squeezed?

Hu
Really good points Hu I did a lot of test sampling, time soaked, days in press & so on. What I came up with was (for my persoanl opinion) I soak the tips in buttermilk for 4 days in the fridge, 4 days of pressing them (tighten the tip press) a little each day, then letting them set overnight, then doing a bite test on each & everyone of them. Spongy tips go in the trash can, harder tips seem to be more to my liking. Have a good holiday wkd everybody.
Jeff
 
What's Used?
1. Skim milk
2. 2%
3. Whole milk
4. Cream?
Also, are there other soaking materials one can use besides cow milk variants?
I'm trying to Avoid tips with layers of glue/Miscue.

I've tried the milk duds, not what I expected.
The newer stiffer cue/shafts breakdown Buffalo leather quickly, tip needs constant maintenance, tip life is shortened allot.

Other hides....
Moose
Deer
Donkey
Buffalo
Pig
Elephant
Sheep
Shark
I remember Fats saying he would keep a couple tips in his pocket.
After months of handling, the oil from his skin made them better.
 
Cureing he called it. The sweat from his body and handling cash, and being in the midwest and back in his day they had not yet designed A/C.
 
He was part of my college yrs, SIU and Janscos. I did an dead pan/audio video interview of his life at Evelyn's in Dowell IL 6 weeks after he passed.
I loved that man, he treated me like family at times.
 
Some of the best tips I’ve played with are those that came with Schons.

Then there’s the original Mooris Ernie sends his Gina’s out with.

Lou Figueroa
For years I sent my cue back to Schon for a new tip. Awesome tips. Held their shape and chalk. I vaguely remember someone at Shon telling me they soaked [ i want to say olive oil. not sure tho ] and pressed a Le Pro. They've since changed to Tiger Everest tips. Bummer.
 
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