TATE said:
Chris...You were a good student for me, and easy to work with!
Can't wait to show you my "new" stuff the next time I'm out in S. CA...which will likely be next month!Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Some people are un-teachable!
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Chris...You were a good student for me, and easy to work with!
Can't wait to show you my "new" stuff the next time I'm out in S. CA...which will likely be next month!Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee said:
I'm far from continuing to bash the APA. I'm a team captain, and love to promote and endorse the APA league.
I'm one of the first to step up and defend league play on this MB.
It's a lot of fun for me.
I'm just stating a fact that a good number of people have been the same speed for years, with no intention of improvement. It's a common theme.
Scott Lee said:Chris...You were a good student for me, and easy to work with!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Man, I hope so. Let's get together for sure.
Chris
Secaucus Fats said:
not me............
DCP
well the follow through and freezing has a huge difference on the shot. following through changes the shot from a stun shot to a draw shot (if u are aiming low) and completely changes the path of the cueball. freezing is important as it keeps u shooting straight, if u move after ur shot, u're gonna keep doing it until it becomes automatic. then u will start moving even earlier i ur shot until u get to the point where u move right before u make contact with the cueball which severely screws up your shot.
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Snoogi
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Of course it's easy if a particular student understands what he's being taught in the first place, afterwhich he shouldn't have problems following them given the right attitude. If not, we bring him one big round the earth and back and he'll be standing inside square number one again.Danktrees said:
Secaucus Fats said:
This is a great demonstration of why MARKETING in the highest value here.
Having a good product (teacher, knowledge, whatever) is just a start. Without a way to get others to buy into what you're selling, you're stuck holding the bag, so to speak.
Fats, you're having the exact same problem every business person has and will continue to have forever. Good ideas/products/services are just that. Until you figure out a way to sell them to a willing customer, you've got "no deal." And "no deal" might just be the best thing here. That allows you more resources for helping the others who are willing to "buy."
fwiw,
Jeff Livingston
PS If all else fails, there's always Spider Pig!
I don't know if we will ever find the answer to this problem. As Greg has stated, it's somewhat of a common problem in the APA. One of the issues that I have realized is that everyone, or at least almost everyone can play pool. But, not everyone can play well, and here is where the problem lies because they can play they feel that they're really better than what they are.
I would much rather take a person that knows absolutely nothing about the game and teach them, rather than taking the person that has been playing for while and trying to correct everything that they're doing wrong. In order person to learn that have to first realize that they don't know as much as they think they do. Then they have to be willing to accept instruction, and trust that what they're being taught will make a difference.
I've been a captain in the APA for seven years, during that time I have had many teams that have had great potential, but we have never realized our full potential. There have been many different reasons for this but primarily it has been because of a lack of willingness by some people on our different teams to fully trust direction and have commitment to training. As a result some of the people have not improved in seven years their handicaps have remained the same.
So if anyone can figure a solution to this problem I'd like to be the first to know.
Black Cat
I would much rather take a person that knows absolutely nothing about the game and teach them, rather than taking the person that has been playing for while and trying to correct everything that they're doing wrong. In order person to learn that have to first realize that they don't know as much as they think they do. Then they have to be willing to accept instruction, and trust that what they're being taught will make a difference.
I've been a captain in the APA for seven years, during that time I have had many teams that have had great potential, but we have never realized our full potential. There have been many different reasons for this but primarily it has been because of a lack of willingness by some people on our different teams to fully trust direction and have commitment to training. As a result some of the people have not improved in seven years their handicaps have remained the same.
So if anyone can figure a solution to this problem I'd like to be the first to know.
Black Cat
Dust Stroke
Think outside the box.You may want to try this or you may not. Work on his stroke.Start with center ball and then high center follow. Once he has completed the stroke fully( and not before) he must drop his stick on the cloth ever so softly.What this does is (1) relaxes the stroke,relieves any muscle tension if possible,(2) by time his cue has dropped to the cloth he will have been down on the shot long enough to have dinner.He must drop his cue like dust falling from the sky.One player in your area uses this stroke and has one of the sweetest strokes in the game.( GINKY)who also has great mechanics. Try going away from text book (stroke and freeze) most of them look like clones and it inhibits their natural ability.The dust stroke works wonders for all around mechanics and is easy to teach.Secaucus Fats said:
The Woim
Banned
I hear ya - all of you!
I'm just blowing off steam with this post!
The guy who referenced the APA and the mentality of it's members, let's not forget that pool is a fun game. It's all fun. Fun fun fun fun...
Of course the APA is largely a social league. I love to drink beer and smell the sweet fragrance of tobacco while playing pool with the friendliest bunch of pals around. Long live the APA!
But to take this sport seriously?
The top pro's in this sport are dishwashers, got it? Michelle Wie (a lingerie model immitating as a golfer) has made 19 million already and her highest finish is 9th, or was it a 9 way tie for 3rd. Her money is earned largely through endorsements and modelling. But hey, in her 9 way tie for 3rd place, her winnings were $150,000. I deliberately pointed my pinkie at my mouth when I said that.
Pool is a joke of a sport. Bowling and Chess are much more professionally run. The pool world could literally take lessons from the USCF (U.S. Chess Federation).
If only I wasn't so in love with this game of pool...
I look at pool and say "I wish I knew how to quit you!" LOL!
With all of drawbacks of this joke of a sport; this game of billiards has captured my heart...
Who can disagree with my assessment?
From the Desk of the One-Eyed Jack!
Yours Truly,
The Woim
I'm just blowing off steam with this post!
The guy who referenced the APA and the mentality of it's members, let's not forget that pool is a fun game. It's all fun. Fun fun fun fun...
Of course the APA is largely a social league. I love to drink beer and smell the sweet fragrance of tobacco while playing pool with the friendliest bunch of pals around. Long live the APA!
But to take this sport seriously?
The top pro's in this sport are dishwashers, got it? Michelle Wie (a lingerie model immitating as a golfer) has made 19 million already and her highest finish is 9th, or was it a 9 way tie for 3rd. Her money is earned largely through endorsements and modelling. But hey, in her 9 way tie for 3rd place, her winnings were $150,000. I deliberately pointed my pinkie at my mouth when I said that.
Pool is a joke of a sport. Bowling and Chess are much more professionally run. The pool world could literally take lessons from the USCF (U.S. Chess Federation).
If only I wasn't so in love with this game of pool...
I look at pool and say "I wish I knew how to quit you!" LOL!
With all of drawbacks of this joke of a sport; this game of billiards has captured my heart...
Who can disagree with my assessment?
From the Desk of the One-Eyed Jack!
Yours Truly,
The Woim
The Woim
Banned
Teaching?
Forget teaching anything. The great ones in this sport are born to it.
Allen Hopkins said on ESPN one time that the very first time he picked up a cue he had a 10 ball run.
And then consider your standard BCA instructor giving you the one size fits all instructions... Laugh hard while imaging a bunch of BCA instructors stringing rope around Francisco Bustamante's arms trying to force him to stroke like a BCA instructor.
No BCA instructor alive would encourage someone to stroke like Efren. Of course, only Efren is Efren.
What a joke this "sport" is!
The Woim
Forget teaching anything. The great ones in this sport are born to it.
Allen Hopkins said on ESPN one time that the very first time he picked up a cue he had a 10 ball run.
And then consider your standard BCA instructor giving you the one size fits all instructions... Laugh hard while imaging a bunch of BCA instructors stringing rope around Francisco Bustamante's arms trying to force him to stroke like a BCA instructor.
No BCA instructor alive would encourage someone to stroke like Efren. Of course, only Efren is Efren.
What a joke this "sport" is!
The Woim
WOH easy there captain controversy!!@#!!
The michelle wie example isn't ideal because she actually can play, her highest finish in a major was 2nd and she was(is?) ranked 3rd among women. Mentioning that the #3 woman earns 150k probably doesn't make your point nearly as well as mentioning that the #300ish male earned 150k. Michelle's earning about 10 times less than her male equivalents because she's a 'lingerie model'.
But yeah, your point still stands if you're saying that there's no money in pool.
As for teaching being pointless... if your only point is to be one of the 10 or 20 best on earth, possibly... though I don't buy it. All those pros had teachers. They didn't all pick up a cue and run 10 balls (highly extremely skeptical of that story btw). In interviews they mention teachers and credit them for taking their game up to the next level, even going as far as to mention tournaments they started winning as a result of teaching. Anyway the world would be a stupid place if people didn't bother teaching or learning something just because they'll never do it as well as the best in the world. A lot of people are happy to just be A level, and instruction can carry a guy to that level even if he's not allen hopkins.
The michelle wie example isn't ideal because she actually can play, her highest finish in a major was 2nd and she was(is?) ranked 3rd among women. Mentioning that the #3 woman earns 150k probably doesn't make your point nearly as well as mentioning that the #300ish male earned 150k. Michelle's earning about 10 times less than her male equivalents because she's a 'lingerie model'.
But yeah, your point still stands if you're saying that there's no money in pool.
As for teaching being pointless... if your only point is to be one of the 10 or 20 best on earth, possibly... though I don't buy it. All those pros had teachers. They didn't all pick up a cue and run 10 balls (highly extremely skeptical of that story btw). In interviews they mention teachers and credit them for taking their game up to the next level, even going as far as to mention tournaments they started winning as a result of teaching. Anyway the world would be a stupid place if people didn't bother teaching or learning something just because they'll never do it as well as the best in the world. A lot of people are happy to just be A level, and instruction can carry a guy to that level even if he's not allen hopkins.
The Woim
Banned
Hey hey hey
Michelle Wie's own Dad said in an interview "The people who keep saying Michelle needs to win a women's tourny before entering the men's tournaments don't understand the remuneration of this sport."
Why doesn't the jackal just say, "Hey, Michelle's entering these men's tours as a prostitute. Hey, she's a talentless female golfer who is already considering quitting the sport but entering these tourneys is a great way to make a quick name for herself."
If what you say is true of the men earning more on the golf tour than the women, amen. Particularly in the whiny little quitter known as Michelle Wie.
Of course, who wouldn't want to look at Michelle Wie all day long and think really naughty thoughts?
I guess this means I'm not gay
The Woim
Michelle Wie's own Dad said in an interview "The people who keep saying Michelle needs to win a women's tourny before entering the men's tournaments don't understand the remuneration of this sport."
Why doesn't the jackal just say, "Hey, Michelle's entering these men's tours as a prostitute. Hey, she's a talentless female golfer who is already considering quitting the sport but entering these tourneys is a great way to make a quick name for herself."
If what you say is true of the men earning more on the golf tour than the women, amen. Particularly in the whiny little quitter known as Michelle Wie.
Of course, who wouldn't want to look at Michelle Wie all day long and think really naughty thoughts?
I guess this means I'm not gay
The Woim
The Woim
Banned
The Unteachables
It's probably a blessing in disguise that pool pays so little. Since there's no money in this sport, it goes without examining that the pro's aren't milking a modeling career.
You gotta love this sport if you're practicing 2-4 hours a day on practice drills for the posibility of earning $30,000 a year. Most pro's earn much less.
The Woim
P.S. - I never did get a dime out of all those times I broke and ran 10, 10, 10 and 38 racks of 9 ball.
It's probably a blessing in disguise that pool pays so little. Since there's no money in this sport, it goes without examining that the pro's aren't milking a modeling career.
You gotta love this sport if you're practicing 2-4 hours a day on practice drills for the posibility of earning $30,000 a year. Most pro's earn much less.
The Woim
P.S. - I never did get a dime out of all those times I broke and ran 10, 10, 10 and 38 racks of 9 ball.
The Woim
Banned
I'm going to post more on "Teaching" later
Allen Hopkins told the story of his 10 ball run. Allen's one of those men I trust instinctively and immediately.
I'm going to post more completely on the subject of having a teacher in the game of pool. I mean no disrespect to teachers - I've had two great ones! I sought them out and both of them helped my game incredibly.
No disrespect intended. I'm going to start a new thread with a serious discourse on the subject of teachers that just can't be summed up in two or three sentences.
And no disrespect intended toward the drop dead gorgeous Michelle Wie. Oh yeah, you real men know what's going through my mind when I look at her!
From the Desk of the One-Eyed Jack!
The Woim
Allen Hopkins told the story of his 10 ball run. Allen's one of those men I trust instinctively and immediately.
I'm going to post more completely on the subject of having a teacher in the game of pool. I mean no disrespect to teachers - I've had two great ones! I sought them out and both of them helped my game incredibly.
No disrespect intended. I'm going to start a new thread with a serious discourse on the subject of teachers that just can't be summed up in two or three sentences.
And no disrespect intended toward the drop dead gorgeous Michelle Wie. Oh yeah, you real men know what's going through my mind when I look at her!
From the Desk of the One-Eyed Jack!
The Woim
Pool is like sex. You learn about it on the street from people that have no idea, you do what you think they say is right, and now you're an expert. If anyone disputes your ability/talent you defended it by telling the critic they don't know what they're talking about. After all you learned all there is about it and practiced as much as possible.
Unwillingness to take the advice from Certified experts after asking for the advice is just dumb. For you Fats, sorry he wasted your time. He waisted his time. My advice to you is, next time make sure they waist their money too. Seriously free advice is VIEWED as just that by some. NO VALUE. I'll take what I like and throw out the rest. After all this isn't costing me anything and I already know I'm right. I just need to practice more.
I have the ability to help people with their wieght and health goals. If I give them the products for free they never use them. If I charge what I'm supposed to charge, they use them, and achieve success. There's no difference with pool lessons.
Think of it this way if you have a hang up about charging money. It's obviously not your goal to get rich giving lessons. But it does seem you want to help players with their game. The money gives you and them better odds for achieving your and their goals. Charge something more than the table time. You're worth it and you deserve the satisfaction of seeing your students succeed.
Unwillingness to take the advice from Certified experts after asking for the advice is just dumb. For you Fats, sorry he wasted your time. He waisted his time. My advice to you is, next time make sure they waist their money too. Seriously free advice is VIEWED as just that by some. NO VALUE. I'll take what I like and throw out the rest. After all this isn't costing me anything and I already know I'm right. I just need to practice more.
I have the ability to help people with their wieght and health goals. If I give them the products for free they never use them. If I charge what I'm supposed to charge, they use them, and achieve success. There's no difference with pool lessons.
Think of it this way if you have a hang up about charging money. It's obviously not your goal to get rich giving lessons. But it does seem you want to help players with their game. The money gives you and them better odds for achieving your and their goals. Charge something more than the table time. You're worth it and you deserve the satisfaction of seeing your students succeed.
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