Soooooo, I'm a slow player.........

fathomblue

Rusty Shackleford
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I'll admit it. I play slow. It's not a sharking or gamesmanship thing. I'm just trying to play the best that I can, every time that I go to the table.

Over the past few months I've completely changed my stance, grip, stroke, personal eye pattern, method of aiming, developed an honest-to-goodness pre-shot routine........you name it. I'm also consciously trying to pick out the best pattern to run the balls, instead of just shooting one ball to get on the next one with no regard to the overall table. I'm even weighing safety options.

So, needless to say, I've got a lot going on in my head. It's becoming more natural now, but I still have a long ways to go. It really started towards the end of the Tunica event in July, as I got some great advice from a couple of top-flight players. One player basically said (and I'm only slightly paraphrasing), "If you're going to be a great player, act like a great player. Watch what they do. Incorporate what works for you from what works for them. Study bridges, grips and strokes. Develop a professional-looking approach to the game. Amateurs don't study the pro's nearly enough.......". So, I'm doing my best to do that.

Here's the catch. I was already slower than almost everyone in my local pool room. Now I'm even slower. Or so they're starting to loudly hint. A few weeks ago, a friend/fellow player was studying everyone in the room and writing down how many seconds it took each player to shoot, whether they made it or not and if they got out of position. He wasn't pointing fingers at me, he did it for every player. It was more for his own personal study, but I noticed what he was doing and coaxed the info out of him.

The best players in the room were taking an average of 8-15 seconds to shoot the majority of their shots. The middle-of-the-road players were maybe twice that amount of time. The 2 lowest "rated" players in the room were the slowest. I'm one of them. I was taking about 45 seconds for most of my shots. Sometimes it was right at the minute mark. Altho, that was my outlier. Most of the other players had similar outlier times. It's just that their easy-to-average shots were coming much quicker. Each player definitely had their own rhythmn and pace of play.

The better players were tending to shoot quicker on average. However, on difficult shots, they did slow down quite a bit. With regards to MY play, I was much more consistent time-wise for each shot. Even my difficult shots didn't take THAT much longer than an average shot for me. I feel as tho it's because I'm trying hard to treat every shot with respect. The easiest of shots can be completely dogged or mis-played to get out of position.

I've been playing there for a year and a half and I honestly feel like I'm a much better player than when I started. I literally walked in the first day off of a 15 year hiatus from the game. I don't feel that most of the other players in the room have gotten that much better at all during that time.......and some are pretty stagnant in their game. A couple have picked up a bit. Then again, almost all of them are better than I am (or at least they win more often, I should say), so I've had more ground to make up. I'm starting to win more matches, but I'm still making crucial mistakes occasionally that are costing me games, as well. I suppose that's part of the learning curve and I try to identify those situations and work on them.

I'm just getting a lot of this off of my chest, so not sure if anyone here has any advice, constructive criticism, etc. I like every single one of the regular guys in our pool room and I hate to think that I'm "slowly" becoming the odd man out, because I'm holding up games. I don't want to stop playing there. No one has done more than joke at me about it in passing, but I think we all know that this is what happens at first, in the hopes that I'll get the hint.

I'm not comfortable playing quicker. I'm just not. And in my defense, what's the hurry? Really? Pool is a "hurry up and wait" kinda game anyway, in my opinion. And I don't have a problem with that. I'm there to compete, but I'm also there to relax. I've absolutely faced players slower than myself. I just zoned out and let them do their thing till it was my turn.

On a side note......I did a little study of my own last week. The other players tended to player quicker amongst themselves. When it came to playing me, THEY slowed down. Maybe it's my style of play that unconsiously does that to them. I was counting 30 seconds to a minute between shots for them on many, many occasions. I also don't have the skill to run out as often as they do, so I do play safes and 2-way shots at times that they wouldn't. Of course some of that happens because I'm not as good of a position player as they are. That increases overall game times. I don't think they realize how slow they CAN play at times compared to others.

Also, since Tunica, I've been buying quite a few Accu-Stats videos. Studyin' the pro's as I was advised. A lot of them really play pretty methodically, which is what I'm attempting to do.

Should I consciously try to speed up my play a bit and hope I can adjust to it? Should I put myself on an internal shot clock? Is this normal when an amateur changes so many things about their game? Should I keep on keepin' on and let my pace be what it is?

Or am I "that guy" that you all dread playing?

Any comments would be appreciated. :)
 
you are "that guy". I will not practice with "that guy" and if i play "that guy" in a league, i will try and get the game over with as quickly as possible and i don't care if i win but i just want it over with lol its like a slow death playing "that guy" haha
 
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Maybe your internal clock is out of sync with everyone elses internal clock.
Try this. Start your match on a Tuesday, but don't have your opponent come in until a week from this coming Friday. You can make adjustments to that by one day either way. Glad I could help. :smile:
 
The general rule is we don't play with slow players nor do we socialize with them.

Jk. Enjoy your journey.
 
Yes, you are "that guy." But you have to play your game and not bother with what the other people are saying. The pros can be pretty deliberate as well. I was up at Turning Stone this year and I had to leave the Deuel/Davis match because they played really....... freakin............................... slow.

Having said that... if you're taking up to a minute to contemplate a simple stop shot that you played position for, you could probably stand to speed up a little.
 
you are "that guy". I will not practice with "that guy" and if i play "that guy" in a league, i will try and get the game over with as quickly as possible and i don't care if i win but i just want it over with lol its like a slow death playing "that guy" haha

Unfortunately, I'm about the same way as in this post.

There was a player I had to play once in a while in APA. He was taking fo-rever. No joke, he took almost a minute to decide which of his last two balls to shoot first in 8b with ball-in-hand(he was and may still be an APA 6). After his first couple of turns, I'd just walk up to the table and fire away at my shot because I just wanted it to end. When waiting, I'd just stand around tapping my foot on the wood floor and checking my watch to see how long his latest shot was taking.

To take a long time is one thing, for people to have to deal with it is another. If playing by any league or tournament rules, you'll be giving up games by the bushel for taking that long.

You'd better be improving from taking your time, or I'd just want to kick you in the nuts. :eek:
 
slow players are not fun, but the worst are the slow players after they shot. Typically the miss a lot and after their miss they spent 30 seconds motionless. irritating to say the least.
 
I think you're "that guy". Now that you're winning more matches ask yourself this: Are you winning more matches because you're getting better, or is it because you're taking more time and it's throwing everyone else off their game? One thing I've noticed is that most of the top players develop a rhythm over the course of a game or a match. Developing that rhythm is very difficult to do if you're playing a "molasses type" player, so they become bored and complacent. An earlier poster commented that he just wanted that match to be over with and would reach a point where he didn't care if he won or lost he just wanted it done. I suspect that at least some of your matches are won that way, and it really doesn't matter if this is a sharking technique or not, it will likely be seen that way. Of course, some shots require a second look and some thought and I find that most players will excuse taking extra time for those, but if you're taking close to a minute to look over a ball in hand situation then I submit that any complaints are justified. If you're really contemplating everything that can happen then you need to pay closer attention to the game, most of that figuring out stuff should have been done by the time your opponent finishes his shot and you approach the table. I believe that sometimes some shots require a bit more thought and a second or third look, but that is more the exception than the rule. If you're consistently taking more than a few seconds to size things up and execute your plan then it's getting silly. I suppose that's why time spent alone at the table practicing is of such a high value, so that way you work out a lot of this stuff at the practice table and you don't have to ask so many questions of yourself during the match
 
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you are "that guy". I will not practice with "that guy" and if i play "that guy" in a league, i will try and get the game over with as quickly as possible and i don't care if i win but i just want it over with lol its like a slow death playing "that guy" haha

So playing slow against you is the way for your opponent to get the win. That's an easy startegy to employ.

Hope you overcome that. Patience can be a virtue.:wink:

Regards,
 
So playing slow against you is the way for your opponent to get the win. That's an easy startegy to employ.

Hope you overcome that. Patience can be a virtue.:wink:

Regards,

If i think a person is purposely trying to slow play me, I will unleashed a fire storm of safeties upon him and I will be willing to camp that night beside the table.
 
So Slow

Not to be a stickler for the rules but APA states average shot must be 20 seconds with a SPECIAL SHOT SITUATION maximum of 45 seconds. Average time for a match at your rank in 8 ball should only be 45 minutes and no more than 60 for 9 ball. If your team is lucky enough to advance to tri cup or city, you might jeopardize your teams chances by forcing sudden death to whoever plays after you. Additionally, in playoffs, if you are officially put on the clock and go over the 20 seconds you would be given a warning. Second offense, ball in hand. Third offense loss of game and forth offense loss of match.
 
I'm not what you would call a fast player, but not nearly as "methodical" as you....:p

Someone touched on it, I believe it applies to me, and it might apply to you as well. You're thinking too much.

When i'm shooting well, I'm going from one shot to the next, not necessary quickly, but without hesitation. When I'm struggling, I notice that i'm studying the shot (and thinking out position and such) longer.

Is there an answer, I'm not the one to tell you. But perhaps you night want to try limiting your "think time" when you practice, once in a while, and see if you can get into a rythmn.

Just a suggestion (for me, as well).

Good luck!
 
ALL leagues and weekly tournaments need to have a shot clock, 30 seconds absolute minimum. That's all I have to say. Thank you.
 
Are you following an "Analyze, Set-up then Execute" routine?

In an A-S-E routine the Analyze part is where you analyze the table, decide on your shot and your aim (including spin and speed). In the set-up part you align your body with the shot and get down on the ball, and in the Execute part you stroke the CB.

The important thing is that you NEVER re-visit an action once you've moved on to the next phase. i.e. once you're into Set-up you never re-visit your Analysis...and once you're into Execute you never re-think your Set-up.

I'm a beginner and this routine has helped me enormously. It forces me to focus but not over-think every shot. I think I learned from a youtube video by Fargo Billiards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP5hLNkWjdo
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hs4Ka1xMA&feature=relmfu

It has also sped up my play since I'm not going back and forth, although speeding up my play was not my objective.
 
Duly noted guys and thanks for the tough love.

I wish I had a video camera at home to get hard info as to the real times. Again, I'm going by someone else's count at this point. I think I'll have at least 2 guys in the room see if they can time a couple of my games, just to let them know I'm going to use the info to make an effort to speed up.

And as for why I'm winning.....I'm honestly making more balls and choking less. My new PSR and aiming methods have definitely made me take notice of that.
 
Duly noted guys and thanks for the tough love.

I wish I had a video camera at home to get hard info as to the real times. Again, I'm going by someone else's count at this point. I think I'll have at least 2 guys in the room see if they can time a couple of my games, just to let them know I'm going to use the info to make an effort to speed up.

And as for why I'm winning.....I'm honestly making more balls and choking less. My new PSR and aiming methods have definitely made me take notice of that.

Do you find you have a bit of trouble finding better players to play with?
 
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