Southwest cue question?

$natedogg$

$natedogg$

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Hello,
I noticed a posting a few days ago asking about unmarked Southwest cues. I may have found one at league tonight a new team mate of mine has and may want to sell and I have a couple questions. He recieved it in a trade years ago and cue has no points and only one shaft. It has the large (brass?) pin with the hole in top and the ferral is discolored turning yellow. It has the Southwest style ring work on butt and joint collar and does not have a wrap it has a birds eye maple handle and maybe cocabola butt and nose. First question it has no markings at all on cue under end cap (which cue is missing) or on shafts end is this common? Second did the make wrappless cues unmarked? Finally say it is a Southwest with the cue having the above qualities and it's been well played and has a number of chips and shaft is well used (really needs a refinish) what would a fair asking price? I wasn't able to get pictures tonight but will asap, but any help until then would be a great starting point.
Thanks for everyones time!!
Nathan
 
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$natedogg$ said:
Hello,
I noticed a posting a few days ago asking about unmarked Southwest cues. I may have found one at league tonight a new team mate of mine has and may want to sell and I have a couple questions. He recieved it in a trade years ago and cue has no points and only one shaft. It has the large (brass?) pin with the hole in top and the ferral is discolored turning yellow. It has the Southwest style ring work on butt and joint collar and does not have a wrap it has a birds eye maple handle and maybe cocabola butt and nose. First question it has no markings at all on cue under end cap (which cue is missing) or on shafts end is this common? Second did the make wrappless cues unmarked? Finally say it is a Southwest with the cue having the above qualities and it's been well played and has a number of chips and shaft is well used (really needs a refinish) what would a fair asking price? I wasn't able to get pictures tonight but will asap, but any help until then would be a great starting point.
Thanks for everyones time!!
Nathan
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$69.69 w/o a COA from LF @ SW.

a dime to 12 hun w/COA:smile:
 
Southwest

Now that I've had a chance to do some searching on here I noticed in May Wayneward had a cue for sale which comes close to style. As I stated before no pin number but cue is old. So say it is a Southwest in current condition say 70-75% and missing butt cap and only one shaft what would a fair asking price be? It's a team mate so I don't want to give him a low ball price then have him turn around and find out what he had and get pissed. Then what would cost of a refinish, LOA, and having a second shaft made run?
Thanks again!
 
No points, one shaft, 75%, needs refinish, and no LOA. You said missing butt cap, but I think you meant to say missing bumper. If you can confirm it's a SW and not a knock-off, I'll venture an opinion in today's market of $550. My thinking here is that it's value in good condition might be $700, and it will cost you $150 for a refinish and new bumper, maybe a little more. Do a search on SW "satin". That will be your best guide, then discount for condition and today's depressed market.

Contact Laurie Franklin at 702-870-9615 or swcue@aol.com for current repair pricing.

Mr H
 
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I paid $400 for one in similar shape contingent that it was a Southwest three weeks ago. It turned out not to be a Southwest. I was able to get my money back. You should take this type thing into consideration.
 
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I have owned a wrapless Southwest, there are a few out there (not many). Be careful, a LOA is the key, and they are not cheap. Plus the repair work needed. Alot of wanna be Southwest cues out in there. Best of luck!
Dave
 
$natedogg$ said:
Now that I've had a chance to do some searching on here I noticed in May Wayneward had a cue for sale which comes close to style. As I stated before no pin number but cue is old. So say it is a Southwest in current condition say 70-75% and missing butt cap and only one shaft what would a fair asking price be? It's a team mate so I don't want to give him a low ball price then have him turn around and find out what he had and get pissed. Then what would cost of a refinish, LOA, and having a second shaft made run?
Thanks again!
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IF IT'S MISSING THE BUTT CAP, (OR IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED) THE CUE ISN'T IN 70% SHAPE. 50% TOPS.......

I WOULDN'T PAY MORE THAN 7-800 IN THIS SHAPE, AND THAT'S ONLY AFTER LAURIE VERIIFES IT'S A SW. CHANCES ARE THAT IT'S NOT. THERE ARE VERY VERY VERY FEW, PRE DATE, WRAPLESS, NO POINT CUES. (IF THERE ARE ANY AT ALL)

I'D SAY YOU'D HAVE TO INVEST ANOTHER 5 HUND EASY TO HAVE ALL THE WORK AND THE LETTER DONE.

UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP IT TO PLAY WITH, YOU'LL BE INVESTING ALOT OF TIME FOR A SMALL RETURN.
 
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Fair

If you contact Laurie and the LOA is early Southwest the cue is worth alot of money - Condition would not be that big of a deal.

But you would not get the cue.. for a cheap price.

The other option is you by the cue. And it turns out to be a dud.
you are out.

One shaft is odd. That would say satin... But these cues are really only one type of wood and stain.

Wrapless also tells me you could have a rare one.

but 500 to 700 is really low ..
That would be like just a butt price beat up.

Also .. have you played with the cue.. do you like it. does it hit really good.
 
It really doen't sound too much like a SW. Without a COA from SW, about $100-150. If it is, $700-1000 WITH a certificate of authenticity, in the shape it is in. WITH a Letter of Authenticity, a SW refinish, and a second SW shaft, probably $1500-1750. Keep in mind that a refinish from SW will run $400 and a new shaft will run $300+, and the lead time will be over 6 months.

Just another opinion...

Joe
 
Southwest

Thanks for the input everyone! I did make a printing mistake it's not missing butt cap it is the bumper thanks for pointing that out for me. I had a family emergency and been at hospital last couple of days so still trying to get pictures. I did speak with owner last night, he mentioned it may have had a second shaft but in trade he only received one. To answer a question above I have shot with it and it hits very nice. I have another question would there be any difference in pin vs. another big radial pin? I have a custom Schon with a big brass radial pin. I had a radial Predator shaft made for my cue, would this shaft fit on a Southwest?
 
$natedogg$ said:
\I have another question would there be any difference in pin vs. another big radial pin? I have a custom Schon with a big brass radial pin. I had a radial Predator shaft made for my cue, would this shaft fit on a Southwest?
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IF THAT RADIAL PIN SHAFT FITS, IT'S NOT A SW...... A SW WOULD HAVE A 3/8 11 JOINT PIN.
 
Southwest

Ok time for my education. What is the different radial pin sizes? My Schon is not a 3/8 10 which is what a McDermott has correct? A McDermott shaft will not fit onto my Schon's radial pin.
If this thread has become out of place here I'm sorry started as a WTB question (A Southwest? under a grand) which I figured people on this forum would have best advice and information.
Thanks!

On a side note are there Southwest cues on the market that are in that lowwer condition range? In case this doesn't pan out and curiousity.
 
$natedogg$ said:
Ok time for my education. What is the different radial pin sizes? My Schon is not a 3/8 10 which is what a McDermott has correct? A McDermott shaft will not fit onto my Schon's radial pin.
If this thread has become out of place here I'm sorry started as a WTB question (A Southwest? under a grand) which I figured people on this forum would have best advice and information.
Thanks!

On a side note are there Southwest cues on the market that are in that lowwer condition range? In case this doesn't pan out and curiousity.
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THERE IS RADIAL 3/8 8 THREAD
AND RADIAL MAX WHICH IS 3/8 8 WITH A DIFFERENT PITCH
3/8 10 IS WHAT MCDERMOTT USES STANDARD
3/8 11 IS WHAT SW USES
THERE IS 3/8 14 THAT BENDER USES
3/8 12 LIKE MARTINEZ USES

AND I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER 3/8 PIN THREADS, BUT THIS IS WHAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD RIGHT AWAY.
 
Southwests are 3/8 - 11. Rick Howard also uses this thread size. I sent you a PM about the cue earlier; did you get it?
 
Southwest

Hello,
Yes I got your message sorry had a family emergency and been with my child in hospital. Have not really talked to the owner of the cue but a couple times very briefly. He now has an idea of what he may have and looks like he's holding on to it. I will still try to get pictures tomorrow and check pin size. If things change I'll contact you.
Like you I would like to own a Southwest but with a budget under a grand chances like this one is all I can hope for.
Again THANK YOU to everyone who helped out if I can get pictures Wednesday night I'll post to see what everyone thinks.
 
I've seen two wrapless sneaky pete pre-date SWs before. One with linen wrap. I've seen one veneered sneaky pete Jerry Franklin SW also (marked). I even saw a marked wrapless JF SW 3 years ago. It's a purpleheart plain jane with curly maple handle. Another "wrapless" I've seen is "ivory handled" with scrimshaws. I saw an eight points SW, a 10 pts SW, and a 12 pts SW also. I am guessing Jerry made all kinds of SWs. They are just hidden somewhere awaiting some guy to dig it out.
 
This is a 2007 SW. One shaft. No points. No number.
 

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