Was just being sarcastic.
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Was just being sarcastic.
But, you still spent hundreds of dollars on a magical shaft?
Nothing magical about the REVO shaft. Just simply the lowest deflection shaft ever produced. It can be demonstrated. Can you take one of your valuable collectable cues and demonstrate how it is better than a Predator? I never meant to bad mouth beautiful collectable cue sticks. If someone thinks the magic is in their cue, that might help them at the table. I'm just wishing I still had all the cues that have passed through my hands so that I could sell them again at today's prices. The same can be said for all the guitars I've had and sold. I can bring tears to a collector's eyes.
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Southwest Cues
Guys relax some,like I stated earlier it's just a cue,another toy.This young generation makes me laugh sometimes,these so called low deflection shafts.I'm old school a wood shaft woods good for me,bottom line you either have a good stroke or you don't,it doesn't matter what cue or shaft you play with.A accomplished player can adjust to play any cue,as they adjust to different playing conditions.Hell,just take a house cue,reshape the tip,my stroke is the same,doesn't change,you make the adjustments you have to in order to use English and move the cue ball around the table.This is my opinion about pool cues,it's not the cue,all about the stroke.
Guys relax some,like I stated earlier it's just a cue,another toy.This young generation makes me laugh sometimes,these so called low deflection shafts.I'm old school a wood shaft woods good for me,bottom line you either have a good stroke or you don't,it doesn't matter what cue or shaft you play with.A accomplished player can adjust to play any cue,as they adjust to different playing conditions.Hell,just take a house cue,reshape the tip,my stroke is the same,doesn't change,you make the adjustments you have to in order to use English and move the cue ball around the table.This is my opinion about pool cues,it's not the cue,all about the stroke.
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I think you might have wanted to leave off the years of play thing. Of all the places that this bears no meaning, it's AZB.
Who cares what your reason is for paying hundreds of dollars for a shaft?
You cannot demonstrate how the revo is better than a SW shaft.
If you want a low squirt shaft, any maker locally can drill a hole in front of a shaft and install a soft ferrule.
Ko Pin Yi and the rest of the Taiwanese players playing with SW UNPAID have not had reasons to get them drilled .
Took your advice,anyway why would anyone spend a ton of money on a cue,then spend more money on a low deflection shaft. Enlighten me guys,what am I missing
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It's a fair question . The low squirt shafts came out -1996 with Predator and Clawson Cues.. That means that aftermarket shafts with different squirt characteristics have been a part of our sport for over two decades. Let that sink in. Low squirt technology is old enough to drink in all 50 states of the Union.
There are now literally hundreds of thousands of pool players who only shoot with low squirt technology. So if for whatever reason they want to buy a fancier, higher dollar cue, putting an aftermarket shaft on it to match their playing style makes sense if they don't want to have to relearn how to shoot with a new shaft. Not only do they have plenty of options to match their preference, they've actually had this option for two decades.
It's no longer a new idea, no more than calling shots in 8-ball is new. It's actually such a mature idea that millions of poolplayers have always had this option for as long as they've been playing., even if they've been playing for, say, 20 year.
LOL, I have a buddy in Memphis who is a fine player, and he plays with a Southwest with a low deflection shaft. To me it is sacrilege, but he didnt ask me.
Ken
I've owned and played with Southwest cues. I've played with low deflection shafts. Why anyone would put one on a Southwest is beyond me. I wouldn't.
1. "Better" is subjective.
If better means less deflection it's painfully easy to "demonstrate" how much
"better" the Revo is.
If "better" means a wood feel and compensating for English, then no you can't.
I got a Revo on a Sneaky butt and this thing rocks.
I have NEVER liked or played with an LD shaft for more than a few weeks.
I have a whole collection of them in my closet. Hate those things.
There's nothing like the Revo though.
You hit those balls like a machine gun.....lol...
2. There's a lot more to the Revo than that but you sound like you're speaking
in general about LD's and I get your point.
3. What if they start using a Revo in a few months or years?
Fellas, people will buy what they want and are ready/willing to spend money
on....or I know I do.....and that's the bottom line.
Get a SW or a Predator or a Cuetec, whatever you want.
But don't expect to play any better than the next guy who is using a house cue
or Cuetec or whatever 250 dollar stick he could afford.
Especially if he's been using it for years. Matter of fact don't expect to play any
better than you did the day before you got the new SW stick.
I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on cues since I started buying them and
I'm here to tell you this Revo shaft gives you just as much feel as I get with my
super expensive cues.
Nothing less.
I sometimes play a man at my pool hall that's in his mid 60's, been playing him
off and on for years.
Naturally I've played him with all my fancy cues, some come in well north of 5k
I think his stick was 400.
I can only beat him when he lets me.....lol.....! Unless he fell asleep at the table,
then I can run circles around the man but that's about it.
He's still using the same cue he got about 30 years ago.
It's either a Joss or a Lucasi, forgot which one.
Time at the table is the only thing the body understands.
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Mike Dechaine did that too.
I think the butt of a cue should not be underestimated as to how much it contributes to the overall feel of a cue.
In my opinion it plays a major role.
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1. "Better" is subjective.
If better means less deflection it's painfully easy to "demonstrate" how much
"better" the Revo is.
If "better" means a wood feel and compensating for English, then no you can't.
I got a Revo on a Sneaky butt and this thing rocks.
I have NEVER liked or played with an LD shaft for more than a few weeks.
I have a whole collection of them in my closet. Hate those things.
There's nothing like the Revo though.
You hit those balls like a machine gun.....lol...
2. There's a lot more to the Revo than that but you sound like you're speaking
in general about LD's and I get your point.
3. What if they start using a Revo in a few months or years?
Fellas, people will buy what they want and are ready/willing to spend money
on....or I know I do.....and that's the bottom line.
Get a SW or a Predator or a Cuetec, whatever you want.
But don't expect to play any better than the next guy who is using a house cue
or Cuetec or whatever 250 dollar stick he could afford.
Especially if he's been using it for years. Matter of fact don't expect to play any
better than you did the day before you got the new SW stick.
I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on cues since I started buying them and
I'm here to tell you this Revo shaft gives you just as much feel as I get with my
super expensive cues.
Nothing less.
I sometimes play a man at my pool hall that's in his mid 60's, been playing him
off and on for years.
Naturally I've played him with all my fancy cues, some come in well north of 5k
I think his stick was 400.
I can only beat him when he lets me.....lol.....! Unless he fell asleep at the table,
then I can run circles around the man but that's about it.
He's still using the same cue he got about 30 years ago.
It's either a Joss or a Lucasi, forgot which one.
Time at the table is the only thing the body understands.
This is my point,it's all about the stroke,not the cue or whatever shaft you choose to use.
Cornerman, TY for answering my question.I don't know all that much about the low deflection shafts,most of the younger players in the last two decades do use them.I think it's about time I buy and try one of these shafts,then I can answer my own question.
I think we older dudes learned to play with one piece house cues, at least that is all we had playing snooker in New Mexico back in the early 60's. How could a two piece cue possibly come up to the play ability of a one piece cue? They could not! Wood to wood joints trying to simulate a one piece cue, etc. UNTIL the low deflection shafts came out. Now, one piece cues can't duplicate the low deflection shafts attached to two piece cues. You can still play golf and have fun with persimmon driver heads and steel shafts, but the pros sure don't do it. One by one they switched to graphite shafts and metal heads. I think Davis Love was the last holdout. It was hard for him to give up his McGregor Tommy Armour oil hardened persimmon head driver, but he did. Point: you just can't fight technology. Either switch or get beat by people with better tools.
And how many snooker greats today play with low deflection shafts ?
Golf players switched to longer driving drivers.
Pool is not a driving contest.
And pool already has their own version of the Big Bertha.
Phenolic ferrule/tip combos.
Good Lord.
You harp on there is no magical cue or something but you shelled out hundreds of dollars for a shaft . What is the resale value of that shaft ?
This is about SW cues.
If people like to own SW and play with them , let them.
you are right, I'll butt out. enjoy.
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I firmly believe there is no "better" in pool cues only "different"
There are some core elements that must be present in a cue:
- It must be straight
- It must be mechanically solid
- It should have a good tip
Past that it is all completely subjective.
If you think that low deflection is a critical requirement, than for you a Revo might indeed be "better", but that is a preference not an absolute. No absolutes in pool technology.
I actually don't find deflection that critical. I am far from an elite player at this point, but if I play with a cue with different deflection, I can quickly get used to it and it does not become an issue in me missing shots for the most part.
Someone might say that the "solidness" of a cue is incredibly important. Well for that person, a Lambros is going to be a major contender, because the Ultra Joint is measurably more solid and the cue is a little more solid as a result.
For me, weight and balance and shaft flex are critical. I look for a specific combination of these to get something I think is "better". I like lighter cues, cues that are forward balanced and an overall stiffness in the high middle. Not rebar, not a Meucci. It is difficult to find this combo, but my Treadway is close, and the Judd that was stolen was perfect.
Many would hate what I would prefer in a cue, and they would not be wrong. It is all preference.
Personally I hate Predator cues. They have wonky balance and the LD shafts just feel dead to me (Have not hit a Revo)
In terms of a SW, nothing else truly hits like them, there is a reason they are so popular. They have a unique taper and hit. They are constructed impeccably and as a bonus retain value as well as almost any cue.
Those that are SW fans are 100% correct for them. I don't prefer them but Laurie is great and I am on the list.
There are some core elements that must be present in a cue:
- It must be straight
- It must be mechanically solid
- It should have a good tip
Past that it is all completely subjective.
If you think that low deflection is a critical requirement, than for you a Revo might indeed be "better", but that is a preference not an absolute. No absolutes in pool technology.
I actually don't find deflection that critical. I am far from an elite player at this point, but if I play with a cue with different deflection, I can quickly get used to it and it does not become an issue in me missing shots for the most part.
Someone might say that the "solidness" of a cue is incredibly important. Well for that person, a Lambros is going to be a major contender, because the Ultra Joint is measurably more solid and the cue is a little more solid as a result.
For me, weight and balance and shaft flex are critical. I look for a specific combination of these to get something I think is "better". I like lighter cues, cues that are forward balanced and an overall stiffness in the high middle. Not rebar, not a Meucci. It is difficult to find this combo, but my Treadway is close, and the Judd that was stolen was perfect.
Many would hate what I would prefer in a cue, and they would not be wrong. It is all preference.
Personally I hate Predator cues. They have wonky balance and the LD shafts just feel dead to me (Have not hit a Revo)
In terms of a SW, nothing else truly hits like them, there is a reason they are so popular. They have a unique taper and hit. They are constructed impeccably and as a bonus retain value as well as almost any cue.
Those that are SW fans are 100% correct for them. I don't prefer them but Laurie is great and I am on the list.
There have been many threads about South West over the years here. I don't recall posting my thoughts but think now is a good time to.
I own a satin SW cue. I rate it very well in terms of playability; it is very well balanced and easy to cue the ball with. It has the stiffness I like so my arm has to do less work.
As for the hit, I rate it only slightly above average. It lacks the tone of cues I prefer like my Bill Hagan, David Tice, Ernie Martinez, and Tim Scruggs cues. It is more muted in the grip hand area.
I have hit with an ebony SW that had a hit more pleasing to me.
I tend to play more with the cues that have the hit I like, even if their weight, balance or deflection might be slightly inferior to that of my SW.
Hopefully this is helpful to some in what I feel is a very honest critique.
I own a satin SW cue. I rate it very well in terms of playability; it is very well balanced and easy to cue the ball with. It has the stiffness I like so my arm has to do less work.
As for the hit, I rate it only slightly above average. It lacks the tone of cues I prefer like my Bill Hagan, David Tice, Ernie Martinez, and Tim Scruggs cues. It is more muted in the grip hand area.
I have hit with an ebony SW that had a hit more pleasing to me.
I tend to play more with the cues that have the hit I like, even if their weight, balance or deflection might be slightly inferior to that of my SW.
Hopefully this is helpful to some in what I feel is a very honest critique.
Fair opinion.
SW does have a stiffer feel in the grip compared to those you mentioned as SW has a fatter middle.
Hagan is really a 1 piece butt that is cross-laminated.
For that, it has a lot of feel in the grip.
TS is famous for his hit.