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I was looking at tulipwood points back then and ebony forearm and I was looking for a fancy inlayed cue and Laurie told me she wasn't making them cues right now. My playing cue right now is a Samsara SP with Ebony.
 
qexpert_101 said:
I was looking at tulipwood points back then and ebony forearm and I was looking for a fancy inlayed cue and Laurie told me she wasn't making them cues right now. My playing cue right now is a Samsara SP with Ebony.
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I wanted the same thing... but both of those woods are up charge... so i have changed my broke ass mind.
 
So defending the cost of a Southwest cue TODAYyou guys are saying Jerry Franklin didn't build all the early cues that he had a shop of people doing the work for him under his "supervision". Its the same today as it was back then, thats cool.

My bad then I thought the cost of a southwest was justified because Mr. Franklin Master Craftsman built it.

So back to my anogy... Da vinci had students paint beautiful paintings paintings that I'd be proud to own. The differance they don't command the same price as a Da Vinci.

All I'm saying is the southwest company is still building a good cue.
But how do you justify the same cost as when Mr. Franklin was alive?

Again one more time...... I don't get it?

Now if Jerry Franklin did build all the early cues and as demand increased he started hiring people thats fine and teaching them thats fine but I thought the cost was justified because Jerry Franklin himself built it.

Explain it to me Ugot action

Because if your into reproductions of a master I have a whole lot of antiques to sell you.
 
I knew Southwest had a long wait list ... but 11-12 years?! So If I want a SW cue in 2021, I should inquire about it now?
 
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Rak9up said:
So defending the cost of a Southwest cue TODAYyou guys are saying Jerry Franklin didn't build all the early cues that he had a shop of people doing the work for him under his "supervision". Its the same today as it was back then, thats cool.

My bad then I thought the cost of a southwest was justified because Mr. Franklin Master Craftsman built it.

So back to my anogy... Da vinci had students paint beautiful paintings paintings that I'd be proud to own. The differance they don't command the same price as a Da Vinci.

All I'm saying is the southwest company is still building a good cue.
But how do you justify the same cost as when Mr. Franklin was alive?

Again one more time...... I don't get it?

Now if Jerry Franklin did build all the early cues and as demand increased he started hiring people thats fine and teaching them thats fine but I thought the cost was justified because Jerry Franklin himself built it.

Explain it to me Ugot action

Because if your into reproductions of a master I have a whole lot of antiques to sell you.
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I would take a Da Vinci painted by his students.
Probably worth a fortune.

None of you analogies make any sense.
The fact that Jerry Franklin didn't actually build the cue is irrelevant.
Southwest seems to have a pretty good system and some of the people there today were there when Jerry Franklin was there.

Their 10+ year wait list speaks for itself, and people are still ordering cues even with substantial price increases.
I guess you wouldn't buy a Ford Truck either, just because Henry isn't building them anymore.
 
cuesblues said:
I would take a Da Vinci painted by his students.
Probably worth a fortune.

None of you analogies make any sense.
The fact that Jerry Franklin didn't actually build the cue is irrelevant.
Southwest seems to have a pretty good system and some of the people there today were there when Jerry Franklin was there.

Their 10+ year wait list speaks for itself, and people are still ordering cues even with substantial price increases.
I guess you wouldn't buy a Ford Truck either, just because Henry isn't building them anymore.
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Now that is worth some rep. Too funny.
 
The cost is justified because it's a Southwest, the company that Jerry started and built up with help and teaching from David Kersenbrock. A Southwest is a Southwest, not a Franklin. I've had two and wish I could afford to buy another on the secondary market and not have to wait. Unfortunately, my current financial situation won't allow it:(
 
Rak9up said:
So defending the cost of a Southwest cue TODAYyou guys are saying Jerry Franklin didn't build all the early cues that he had a shop of people doing the work for him under his "supervision". Its the same today as it was back then, thats cool.

My bad then I thought the cost of a southwest was justified because Mr. Franklin Master Craftsman built it.

So back to my anogy... Da vinci had students paint beautiful paintings paintings that I'd be proud to own. The differance they don't command the same price as a Da Vinci.

All I'm saying is the southwest company is still building a good cue.
But how do you justify the same cost as when Mr. Franklin was alive?

Again one more time...... I don't get it?

Now if Jerry Franklin did build all the early cues and as demand increased he started hiring people thats fine and teaching them thats fine but I thought the cost was justified because Jerry Franklin himself built it.

Explain it to me Ugot action

Because if your into reproductions of a master I have a whole lot of antiques to sell you.
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Actually bubbles; the cues that were built during Franklin era do sell for more, but they do not play better.

just like your analogy to painting, davinci commands more but it sure as hell doesnt look any better than a 5th graders.
 
classiccues said:
When your time comes on that list... don't skimp... get triple laminates, all the rings and joint caps. it's your one shot. :)

They make a fine cue and have been doing it for a long time. You won't regret it.

JV
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This is the very best advice imo on this entire thread.

I would suggest to set a budget and work with Laurie on a design that fits. She is a wonderful person who is kind and patient.


Good luck in your choice.


Chris <----already has his design etched in stone
 
classiccues said:
When your time comes on that list... don't skimp... get triple laminates, all the rings and joint caps. it's your one shot. :)

They make a fine cue and have been doing it for a long time. You won't regret it.

JV
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This is great advice and I don't know why everyone doesn't order their new SW cues this way. It's not that much more money and it makes the cue more valuable and easier to sell if you should ever decide to let it go down the road.

James
 
I think that I have decided I am going to get the Ebony Forearm with the Pau Ferro points with the A & B rings and 2 veneers. I'm not sure what color of veneers to get I was thinking white and blue? I don't know about the linen colors either I might let her surprise me with that unless you AZer's have some suggestions? Thanks for all the good feedback.
 
Macassar and pau ferro is a nice combo. I would do three veneers. White outside and in. Makes the points pop.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=13439&highlight=southwest

qexpert_101 said:
I think that I have decided I am going to get the Ebony Forearm with the Pau Ferro points with the A & B rings and 2 veneers. I'm not sure what color of veneers to get I was thinking white and blue? I don't know about the linen colors either I might let her surprise me with that unless you AZer's have some suggestions? Thanks for all the good feedback.
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Murray Tucker said:
Macassar and pau ferro is a nice combo. I would do three veneers. White outside and in. Makes the points pop.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=13439&highlight=southwest
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Murray, I had a chance to hit with one of your cues not too long ago along with a Tad, a Searing, and a Southwest, yours played the best to me with the Tad 2nd, Southwest 3rd and the Searing 4th. You had tough competition but I was blown away by how great it played, could not believe the guy got rid of that cue. :confused:
 
Thank you for the kind words.

Fast Lenny said:
Murray, I had a chance to hit with one of your cues not too long ago along with a Tad, a Searing, and a Southwest, yours played the best to me with the Tad 2nd, Southwest 3rd and the Searing 4th. You had tough competition but I was blown away by how great it played, could not believe the guy got rid of that cue. :confused:
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most pros laugh at SW's and would never consider them, I can't imagine more than 1% using them, and shrink that nine fold for all the young guys
 
and as far as their orgasmic hit, BLIND TESTING has proven otherwise, just as it has with other high priced placebo effected bs, i.e. Stardivarious instruments, certain high end audio brands, etc...

I would go as far as to suggest that these guys are a disservice to pool, the same way meucci was/is but at least meucci got people playing and has actually embraced technology,

yet another reason pool remains in the dark ages

you want to pay for the cache of a SW, great , but you're fooling yourself if you believe you get anything more
 
I think this is an awesome veneer combo.
 

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smashmouth said:
most pros laugh at SW's and would never consider them, I can't imagine more than 1% using them, and shrink that nine fold for all the young guys
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How do you know that? True you do not see many playing with them, and likely the sponsorship from other bigger "production" cue companies is partly responsible, but to say that they laugh at Southwests cues is hard to believe. Can you site a specific example of some top pros laughing at SW cues?

In your next post you make it out to be that the SW cues are crap essentially and that they have done a disservice to pool. They are pricey, but they are one of the only cues that have held high value in times when other cuemakers of high esteem are seeing their cues selling for next to nothing on the secondary market. I am not trying to start a fight or anything of the sort, rather I am giving my opinion regarding your posts. I know they are not for everyone, and may indeed not be the best hitting cue out there for every person. I own one and I would not say it is the best hitting cue for me in my collection, but it is still pretty dam good. They have made a thriving business that now has over a 10 year waiting period. They make a great cue and are not unlike other things in life: Corvettes, Harleys or other famous companies. Some times we buy things on reputation alone.


Back to the nature of this thread. I love the ebony on ebony combination. Go big with ebony on ebony with all the ringwork. If you can't decide then PM me and I will work out the design of my choice with you and I'll let you make a profit off of me when the cue gets here :grin-square:. Good luck with your decision and let us know how the transaction with Laurie goes. Post some pics as well if you can.
 
I have a question?

Are you buying this to put into a case and look at?
Then it dosen't matter what you pick any wood combination all that matters is what looks good with what

Or do you plan on playing with it?
If so you need to pick out wood that compliment your style of play.

If you have a hard style of play you may want a softer wood to compliment your style.

If you like a harder hit get a higher density wood.

Do you spin the cueball alot or do you use alot of center ball.

I personally think tip selection, ferrulle type,Joint type,wood type, and overall weight,shaft taper,wrap or no wrap would be more important than how it looks..... but thats just me.

I don't buy cues to look at I buy them to play with.

And since everybody plays different you have to find the right combination for you.

but if looks are what matters to you then satin wood,tulip,bacote,cocabola all good choices
 
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