Reminds me of rally racing with their navigators.
Spin-to-Speed or Revolutions-per-Foot?
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second and a quarter diamond for most players and tables although that can change some.
while hitting it at the speed to open the most balls to your pocket without sending any his way.
and to add, its inside spin you use and it isnt maximum although it could be.
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I am beating anybody's ass who is trying to calculate that crap every shot.Babbling AND referencing one's own post from 14yrs ago. Somebody needs help.Just more mindless minutia that means NADA to REAL WORLD pool. Reminds me of a lot of golfers: paralysis by analysis. If i thought about this shit i wouldn't make a ball.
Seems like something Tyler Styer or Pinegar does. I'll throw Mike Wong in there (IYKYK)
If someone did that to me, I'd have 5 revolutions per foot up their ass.
Pool scientists slow the game down to a snail's pace.
Measuring all the angles from every possible position, looking at the shot 50 times, up and down, around and around.
Then getting down and up 40 times while air stroking.
I call them surveyors.
you made that rhyme! great!
Noted but learning shit is slower. I can see angles by the numbers - developed into a viable teaching and performing tool. It can be a very detailed way of communicating and planning.
Oikawa
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It's funny how every single theorerical discussion on here gathers a bunch of mathematically illiterate grumpy folks who mix up theoretical discussion for something people think about while playing pool.
No, no-one is thinking about complex mathematical formulas when running racks. But the insights from science can and do provide benefit over the long run for any aspect of life as a whole. And the people who dislike theoretical talk spamming the same shit that just outs them as such gets repetitive. Every single similar thread gets the same posts.
If one doesn't have enough brain cells to think theoretically about pool, or does but finds it boring, maybe stop spinning the same record for the 1000th time and just skip the thread?
No, no-one is thinking about complex mathematical formulas when running racks. But the insights from science can and do provide benefit over the long run for any aspect of life as a whole. And the people who dislike theoretical talk spamming the same shit that just outs them as such gets repetitive. Every single similar thread gets the same posts.
If one doesn't have enough brain cells to think theoretically about pool, or does but finds it boring, maybe stop spinning the same record for the 1000th time and just skip the thread?
The poolmudgeons can’t seem to tell when they’re playing pool vs. talking on the internet.
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Aiming a swerve shot. I have found that to be more helpful than an "Etc!" would suggest!
Having said that, I only use it to get myself into the 'right ball park'; I then do the fine tuning needed by feel. I often take a similar approach when judging multi rail kick shots, or the cue ball path off a very thin cut: use a rule to get most of the way there, before switching to a feel based approach for honing in.
Anyone else do this?
@SlateMan
i think you meant inside
outside would have the cue ball 2 rail out of the corner towards the middle of the table
NO decent to good 1p player uses outside on the break.
Some people just like recreational math, numbers and statistics.
They find it fun and enjoyable, and they like to apply it to pool because it is interesting to them. Other people like cue collecting.
It doesn't mean it is always applicable to actually playing the game.
Example: We all know that I am one of the people who likes the math. You may also know by now that I switched games and play three cushion more than pool. I play completely by by feel. I don't think of a single diamond system, number, equation, etc. when I am playing. If I do use a system it is only as a visual guide, because I can't stand distracting myself for even a simple addition or subtraction when I am concentrating on precision ball paths.
So, one needs to ask them-self if they truly believe that there are people trying to calculate equations in their head while playing, or if they are just using that idea as a façade for not being able to understand math in the first place, and bringing people down as if they were still grade school instead of realizing that they are talking to other grown adults.
They find it fun and enjoyable, and they like to apply it to pool because it is interesting to them. Other people like cue collecting.
It doesn't mean it is always applicable to actually playing the game.
Example: We all know that I am one of the people who likes the math. You may also know by now that I switched games and play three cushion more than pool. I play completely by by feel. I don't think of a single diamond system, number, equation, etc. when I am playing. If I do use a system it is only as a visual guide, because I can't stand distracting myself for even a simple addition or subtraction when I am concentrating on precision ball paths.
So, one needs to ask them-self if they truly believe that there are people trying to calculate equations in their head while playing, or if they are just using that idea as a façade for not being able to understand math in the first place, and bringing people down as if they were still grade school instead of realizing that they are talking to other grown adults.
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This reminds of the story of religion and it wasn't Devine intervention it was just some (uh? expletive)Eskimo ....
I have asked for help. I am still here. My latest ride that got 15 feet of air and 6 broken ribs exceter uh. I didn't have time for a prayer.
Pretty sure On the pool table the "Ask" has to be for the Right reason. Otherwise I am Left uh? wondering? Why er or HOw did I miss that shot.
uh oh better go back to my safethread.
Oikawa
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I do that for 1 and 2 rail kick shots every time: Start with a mirror image baseline, then adjust from there based on my best estimation for the situation. And this estimation always includes some amount of feel, e.g. knowing that I need to hit it a bit fuller from the mirror line based on some physics effect e.g. spin is what theory gives you, but the exact amount of "how much fuller" depends on table conditions + speed etc. which is where feel/experience comes into play.
I think the proof is in the pudding. Great players play. Not so great players play with numbers. I'm not directing that at people on this forum, just many years in pool halls and watching matches.
Pool players rarely learn about numbers until they start wanting to market something. I pretty much lost interest in numbers when I realized there is no consensus as to what one tip of english is. One person measures from the center point or line of the cue ball, another measures from the outside edge of the tip when it is at centerball. Then we have the little detail of tip width. I'm using a ten or eleven MM tip, somebody else is using a thirteen or thirteen five. How many tips of side can we each hit with. We may be starting from different measuring points and we are most certainly measuring with different yard sticks. Worse, some try to work with 2D paper and collisions with zero give in any surface, others are working with pool cushions, balls, and tips along with shafts that flex.
Science is a great time killer when we can't be hitting balls and it might get us pointed in the right direction sometimes. However, pool is far from an exact science. Much like a dirt track chassis, there are too many variables to deal with to try to speak in absolutes for everybody. The vast majority of tracks are clay. My local track was oiled dirt. I told a handful of hot dogs that had traveled from afar to start off taking it easy in practice, the surface was a bit odd. The same guys made one lap to see what the track looked like and they were ready to go! Well, until they nailed the throttle coming out of turn four for their first lap at speed. Major component if not frame damage when they crammed the car into the wall, they were done for the night!
The same is true of pool tables, cushions, tips, sticks, on and on. We can get somebody moving in the right direction but trying to tell them exactly how to do something rarely works. I left pool, playing very little for twenty years or so. Came back to Diamond tables and had hell getting things to work. I was playing one or two days a week on tables and cloth I had never played on compared to sixty hours plus a week for ten or twelve years.
I can take a precision rifle I have tuned and ammo the same and shoot less than two-tenths of an inch five shot groups at 100 yards or minute of prairie dog at 1000 yards. There are too many variables to obtain that kind of accuracy on a nine foot pool table.
Somebody put some Valley tables in a tavern that had been sitting up since the early eighties. As soon as I planted a palm on that cloth I remembered it. Damned stuff could be used to scale fish it was so abrasive! All of a sudden I was playing like Wally Mosconi! After about an hour, I was actually there to test a shaft design, I finished up with two tough banks and two tough kicks. Drilled all four of them.
Really made me realize I had never been a top shortstop on the equipment used today. It seemed likely I could get up to speed in a hurry on those old Valleys. Wouldn't mean anything, it would be like getting back up to speed on snooker tables in the US. I might be able to, but why?
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SlateMan
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You are correct. I was (wrongly) in my mind orienting the English to the pocket I am sending the cue ball towards after the collision, and not to the object balls I am hitting. Totally wrong way to say it... my focus is never really on making a shot, but on the cue ball's landing position afterwards. My apologies.