spoiled?
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It's you. Thirty Gold Crown IV tables all about one year old ensures you'll get a good table. I've played on most of the tables there and nearly all the tables are playable and play true. Of course, if your idea of good conditions means tight pockets, you can practice elsewhere. Amsterdam doesn't have any tight tables.
sjm said:
i played the tourny there today and the tables played absolutely dead. no bounce and the cloth didnt slide one bit. i even doubt they all simonis cause the front table the cloth was so smooth where the rack lays i never seen anythin like that before. besides being buckets i would never bet money on a table like that.
junior718 said:
First, Amsterdam has Simonis 860 on every single table in the house. Second, it was ninety degrees and humid in New York City on Saturday afternoon, which can cause the equipment to play differently. Whether the size of the pockets was to your liking or whether you'd gamble on those tables, all of which play level and true, really has nothing to do with the quality of equipment, although it does say something about your preferences.
If you are unable to adapt to various playing conditions in tournament play, then you're not built for success on the Tri State Tour, played in many different poolrooms, and where playing conditions can and will vary from week to week.
At all Tri-State tour events, there is about an hour and a half of free practice before the start of play. That's usually plenty enough time to get used to the conditions. Did you take advantage of this opportunity? If not, why not?If so, why wasn't that enough to get comfortable with the equipment?
Speaking for myself, when I play a tournament, I REALLY LIKE TO draw players inclined to blame the equipment for ther misfortunes. I've attended many Tri-State tour events at Amsterdam Biliard Club, and I've seen a whole lot of great pool played on that equipment in those tournaments.
If you have a poolroom where the equipment is exactly the way you like it, I'm glad for you, and perhaps, as you suggest in the thread title, you are a little spolied. I'm sorry that this tournament didn't go better for you, and I wish you good luck in your next tournament, but, trust me, you'll become a stronger player if you learn to hold yourself, rather than the equipment, accountable for your results.
sjm said:
i agree with SJM. warm humid weather will make any table play a little "dead".
i'm in amsterdam about once a month, and i love the tables there. the pockets are a little large on some tables, but other than that, they play fine.
EXCEPT for the private room, that table needs some work. hell, tony won't even give lessons on that table anymore, he's using table 28 in front of the private room.
VAP
sjm said:
if u think i cant adapt u got action on any table u like. tighter the better for me. im not built for the tristates? i think i went 4 of 6 in the top 3 this season jackass. anytime u wanna step up and play some u jus let me know. id be more then happy to "adapt" to any table u like.
junior718 said:
this coming from someone who was just bitching about the conditions????
VAP
junior718 said:
It's interesting you should say that since I find most of the tables to play a little on the bouncy side. I spent the majority of my early years playing at Chelsea where the rails were far slower. Table 8 at Amsterdam (the lone Black Crown III) has noticeably slower rails than the rest of the room. It sounds as though you were playing on that table.
However, I will attest Amsterdam Billiards exclusively uses Simonis cloth. Although they may not recloth the tables as much as we'd like, it's still more often than many of the rooms I've been to. I play there all the time and can honestly say that rarely would I attribute the cloth on any table at Amsterdam to a failed position play. Every table in the room has been reclothed at least once in the past year which is somewhat unusual.
One last thing to point out, lighting plays a significant part in how you view the condition of the cloth. Incandescent light will make the table appear greener and make worn areas stand out more. Florescent lights are extremely popular in most rooms and simply give Simonis an entirely different appearance. The gloss you sometimes get around the rack area might not even be visible under florescent lighting. Amsterdam Billiards' former eastside location actually had one table with incandescent lighting so I got to see this upclose and everyday for a couple of years.
wow. new yorkers gettin a lil crazy up in here huh ? lol.. 
i think junior's used to playing on the black gold crown 4s and they are FAST and BOUNCY in comparison to the regular gold crown 4's in my experience. (im comparing both with simonis 860) plus humidity does play a factor and the cue ball dies down. I also think most of the gold crown fours i have played on in the new york area plays pretty consistent besides the black ones.
i think junior's used to playing on the black gold crown 4s and they are FAST and BOUNCY in comparison to the regular gold crown 4's in my experience. (im comparing both with simonis 860) plus humidity does play a factor and the cue ball dies down. I also think most of the gold crown fours i have played on in the new york area plays pretty consistent besides the black ones.sjm said:
SJM,
GEEZZZ!! That is a little harsh, I suppose next you'll tell me that if I just practiced more I would be better; or perhaps you'll suggest that I lost that last match because the other guy was a better player (instead of a lucky, friggin' SOB). What the heck am I supposed to use for an excuse now if I lose????? Oh, wait, I won a match last night - man that equipment was perfect.
Everybody onto the bus !DDKoop said:
DDK,
Perhaps next, Junior will learn to "adapt" to these fancy new keyboards that allow you to actually capitalize words (the Silencer never did adapt, I guess he is extinct now). I'm breathlessly waiting for Junior's assessment of Mother Theresa - what a skank.
Williebetmore said:
I would have given her the 5-out, easy.
Jude Rosenstock said:
JR,
I hope you are not overestimating your talent. Remember, Mother T. is going to get EVERY single roll, and she's probably going to average 7 balls in on the break.
Williebetmore said:
Yeah but she's got WAY TOO MUCH sympathy.
all i said was the conditions werent that good. maybe it was the humidity or the lighting? who knows. all i know is sjm went on to judge my game without ever seeing me hit a ball. so....he got action if he thinks he that good and im that bad. all im saying.
junior718 said:
Junior, I reread my posts in this thread a few times to see whether I actually had judged your game but couldn't find any evidence of it. I don't have the remotest idea what level you play at, could be A+, could be D. I also reread my posts to see if I had made any comments about my own abilities as a player. Didn't find anything about that either.
The truth is, I gave advice that I thought would help you regardless of your playing level and I'm sorry that it rubbed you the wrong way. Please accept my sincerest apology.
And, to repeat something I've already posted in this thread, I wish you every success in your next tournament and on the Tri State tour in general.
As for your challenge, the truth is that I, more or less, had to give up competitive pool after some major, life-altering surgery I had about eighteen months ago. I have only competed once in the last eighteen months, and really wonder whether I'll ever play pool competitively again. Still, I have a lot of great memories of the Tri State tour and every player I met there always treated me with both courtesy and respect. If you're a regular on the Tri-State tour, then you are surely among those I've met and I thank you for your past kindnesses, courtesies, and camaraderie. Though I am a former winner of the Tri-state "A" Invitational, I am simply not the player I once was, and I will accept your judgment that you play above me, and will consequently decline your challenge.
In this thread, Junior, you called me a jackass, and I must admit, I feel like one, for I did not wish to upset you with my post, and I obviously did. So I hope you'll forgive me, and if you already know me, I hope you'll shake my hand the next time you see me so that I may greet you as a friend.
Have a good evening, Junior.