Sportsmanship?

This Is OK

TimFXF said:
I don't like to sit while my opponent shoots. (Those high chairs I find to be uncomfortable.) I stand next to my chair and do nothing that could be deemed unsportsmanlike. I just stand there watching. I know it bugs one guy in particular, since he keeps asking, "You gonna sit, or what?"

Does my behavior bother anybody else?


IMO, as long as you don't move around and just stand and stare at the table this is fine. Most of the players in my league stand to the side when their opponent is shooting, as there is not much room for chairs. Even when I am in the opponent's line of sight, I stay there and don't move at all. Never had a complaint.
 
DoomCue said:
Don't light a cigarette when in your opponent's line of sight.

-djb

This one is a little anal..... but I guess it doesn't matter around here, nobody is allowed to smoke.
 
Keep the match moving.

We are in a area that no longer allows smoking in the bar.
Don't make me have to go outside to find you when you are up.
PAY ATTENTION!​
!
 
Andrew Manning said:
Really? I always thought it was more polite to do it the other way around. If you go on your turn, your opponent just has to sit and wait, whereas if you go on your opponent's turn, they might still be at the table when you return, meaning you didn't delay the game by using the bathroom.

This can be considered a shark move. Your opponent's concentration can't be interrupted if you take your break when it's your turn (as you should), since your opponent is not at the table shooting. But if you leave while your opponent is shooting it can definitely interrupt their concentration. A lot of good players I know will wait until their opponent returns before continuing in that case.
 
BillYards said:
I also love it when it is my turn and my opponent is up, running around the table to get behind the cueball to see if I have a shot. Sit down and shut up and you will know in a minute if I have a shot, you Dork!

This one irks me. I had an opponent in a tournament once get up and walk to the table to look at my position from the other side of the table while I was studying it. I just stood there and stared at him, then when he saw I was staring at him he returned to his chair. After he sat down I said, "Are you through?" He said he didn't know it was wrong to do that.
 
What a bunch of cry babies

You know honestly I agree with a lot of the stuff put up here by most people. I do believe it is good to be sportsman like in the interest of league play, or any play for that matter.

However, I do believe that if you are bothered by someone talking to their team mates loudly, or lighting a cigarette, or playing air guitar, etc, etc, then you don't have enough concentration to be playing pool in the first place!

When are people going to grow up and ignore what is going on around them, and just focus on their shot and their game?

I understand if they come up and take the chalk off the table while your shooting, cause that is on the table. But if they are a few feet away from the table and in your line of sight, learn to block it out!

When I get in my set position lined up on a ball, and taking my warm up strokes, everything else disappears until I stand back up. If you can't do that then people are going to mess with you every time. Why are they going to mess with you? BECAUSE THEY CAN!!!!

It doesn't matter if it is unsportsmanlike or not, so get over it and just learn to filter out the distractions.

Oh and for the people pissed that someone took the chalk, get off your butt and get another peace from the house before you actually play, or have enough common sense to bring your own. The person that is doing it probably does it cause they know it bugs you!
 
PoolBum said:
This can be considered a shark move. Your opponent's concentration can't be interrupted if you take your break when it's your turn (as you should), since your opponent is not at the table shooting. But if you leave while your opponent is shooting it can definitely interrupt their concentration. A lot of good players I know will wait until their opponent returns before continuing in that case.

Yeah, I guess I can see how that could distract them, but in my case, I'd rather my opponent go on my turn rather than theirs. I hate having to wait a long time between turns at the table, and I consider minimizing time waste to be a more important concern than the distraction you could cause by stepping away for a moment.

Most of the time, though, I do try go when I've just won a rack and my opponent is racking. Seems like the best time to go for me.

-Andrew
 
I played this character in Cincinatti in 1992 that was smoking 4-5 cigarettes at any one time. He would leave them on the rail in between shots and then go light up another one. I literally was having to move his cigs between shots. I was winning though and we were betting 50/gm nine ball so I didnt say much to him about it, just kept on playing. Tommy Stephenson and I had just got done playing 3 hrs worth and he pointed the guy out to me as someone that would lose alot if I could just fade his unusual habits. Going to the bathroom for nose candy breaks every 10 min was one of his habits. Another thing he did was early on in the session, when he had me stuck like 7 games, he would come to the table and tell me "Why dont you just save yourself some pain and give me this rack? <shoots a ball> Save yourself some pain! <shoots another ball> SAVE YOURSELF SOME PAIN!" Eventually his game deteriorated as the night wore on. It was very rewarding and not just financially when I finally busted him a few hrs later.
 
txplshrk said:
However, I do believe that if you are bothered by someone talking to their team mates loudly, or lighting a cigarette, or playing air guitar, etc, etc, then you don't have enough concentration to be playing pool in the first place!
When are people going to grow up and ignore what is going on around them, and just focus on their shot and their game?
When I get in my set position lined up on a ball, and taking my warm up strokes, everything else disappears until I stand back up. If you can't do that then people are going to mess with you every time. Why are they going to mess with you? BECAUSE THEY CAN!!!!
It doesn't matter if it is unsportsmanlike or not, so get over it and just learn to filter out the distractions.

Absolutely unbelievable!! I've been sharked by some of the best, simplest, techniques there are and ignored others that were far more blatant. But what you're describing is just plain ridiculous. I've been playing this game for more than 40 years and this attitude really takes the cake! I've seen pros who wouldn't put up with this kind of behavior and I'm not talking about Earl Strickland. If people can't be "grown up enough" to show some respect for the game and the other people playing it, maybe they need to grow up!
Again, just the type of behavior that keeps people like me out of leagues.
 
Pushout said:
Absolutely unbelievable!! I've been sharked by some of the best, simplest, techniques there are and ignored others that were far more blatant. But what you're describing is just plain ridiculous. I've been playing this game for more than 40 years and this attitude really takes the cake! I've seen pros who wouldn't put up with this kind of behavior and I'm not talking about Earl Strickland. If people can't be "grown up enough" to show some respect for the game and the other people playing it, maybe they need to grow up!
Again, just the type of behavior that keeps people like me out of leagues.

Well like I said they are all a bunch of cry babies. If your opponent isn't standing next to you, or touching the table. (Lets say they give the table a 5 foot radius.) Then you shouldn't give a crap what he or she is doing. You should think about the task at hand. If you are so bothered by what the other player is doing then you don't have enough concentration to be playing this game anyway. One particular case that comes to mind is when the dude, I forgot who it was, in the IPT got pissed that the waitress walked by and sat a water on his table as he was shooting. He saw it out the corner of his eye, and it disrupted him. Like I said CRY BABY! He should have been looking at the shot, and not worrying about what she was doing. I know a lot of people will be pissed I said it, but it is the truth! What are you going to do when the camera man is lined up in your line of sight?
 
I have to agree with txplshrk. Some people seem to get irked by the slightest thing. When I play there isn't much that will break my focus on the game, really the only thing that gets me is while playing a call-shot game & you have to get your opponents attention to let them know what you're about to do. That can piss me off a bit, but only because I'm trying to be fair & play by the rules.

When they're at the table I do my best to stay out of the way & be as respectful as possible. Basically, treat others the way you'd like to be treated. Courtesy goes a long way.
 
Troublemaker said:
What do you consider the basic rules of sportsmanship for league play?

-Shake your opponents hand before and after the match
-Do not distract them or stand in their eye line during shooting

What else?

I'm trying to think of a basic list for new teams....sometimes casual bar players don't realize that they are being unsportsmanlike.

Thanks for your help!

Win or lose, at the end of the match I make the effort to seek out every member of the other team to shake their hands and tell them it was nice playing against them.
 
IMHO, a good league is built by it's members:

1. Shake hands before the match, meet and introduce all team members, and show some manners.
2. Offer help around scoring, or rules, or anything else, especially to new teams.
3. Compliment great shots
4. Compliment and thank the waitress that is kind enough to bring you food or drinks or whatever.
5. Tie goes to the runner - if you are not 100% sure it was a foul, it wasn't.
6. Call your own fouls
7. Do NOT roll the ball down the table when it's ball in hand - leave it be or hand it to your opponent.
8. Be patient, pay attention, and be quiet when the other player is shooting.
9. If the other player is annoying you, be considerate and neighborly ask them to cease whatever is bothering you - many times, they might not even know it, so give them the benefit of the doubt.
10. Give good racks
11. Know league rules, at least the gist of them
12. Stand away from the table when it's not your turn
13. Pay attention to others shooting around you and recognize you have to share space - just because you have a time out, you don't have a license to stand inbetween two tables, in the same spot, for 5 minutes, and hold up other tables around you.
14. Tip the waiter, or bartender, and ALWAYS remember to pay your tab.
15. Shake hands after the match FIRST - you can high five and enjoy the win after you show some respect to your opponent.
16. Keep it fun and competetive - always play to win, but play fair and be a good sport....
 
txplshrk said:
You know honestly I agree with a lot of the stuff put up here by most people. I do believe it is good to be sportsman like in the interest of league play, or any play for that matter.

However, I do believe that if you are bothered by someone talking to their team mates loudly, or lighting a cigarette, or playing air guitar, etc, etc, then you don't have enough concentration to be playing pool in the first place!

When are people going to grow up and ignore what is going on around them, and just focus on their shot and their game?

I understand if they come up and take the chalk off the table while your shooting, cause that is on the table. But if they are a few feet away from the table and in your line of sight, learn to block it out!

When I get in my set position lined up on a ball, and taking my warm up strokes, everything else disappears until I stand back up. If you can't do that then people are going to mess with you every time. Why are they going to mess with you? BECAUSE THEY CAN!!!!

It doesn't matter if it is unsportsmanlike or not, so get over it and just learn to filter out the distractions.

Oh and for the people pissed that someone took the chalk, get off your butt and get another peace from the house before you actually play, or have enough common sense to bring your own. The person that is doing it probably does it cause they know it bugs you!

"When are people going to grow up..." You mean like the "grown up" guy playing the air guitar during a competitive pool match? :confused: LOL.

I agree, one should do their best to become unsharkable, but there are rules about unsportsmanlike conduct and sharking for a reason. No one is completely immune.
 
i know this has already been mentioned, but i dont like when my opponent is running around all over the place carrying on a conversation with others while im shooting.and if im on the last ball and he makes any kind of motion to start getting balls out of the pockets that game is over cause he just conceded the game.
 
play to win but dont be a poor sport if you lose.i just watched the mosconi cup and saw earl lose a tough match to vandenburg. after the match earl shook his hand and told him good shooting.i must say i was impressed . kudos to earl
 
PoolBum said:
This one irks me. I had an opponent in a tournament once get up and walk to the table to look at my position from the other side of the table while I was studying it. I just stood there and stared at him, then when he saw I was staring at him he returned to his chair. After he sat down I said, "Are you through?" He said he didn't know it was wrong to do that.

I've been sharked so many different ways, most don't bother me anymore, except this one. Once you make contact with the CB and the balls stop rolling your inning is over. Plant your ass in the chair. I had a guy play me safe once, and as I was approaching the table he cut right in front of me to see how well he had hooked me. I said "Your inning is over, do that again, and we'll turn this into a contact sport." :)
 
These are some of the rules used in our women's league....these are actual rules, not what we would like have happen:

Call ball, call pocket. Obvious shots need not be called, however, cuts and banks are not considered obvious shots. Combination shots need not be called, just the intended ball, and the intended pocket...however, the CB MUST contact a ball of your suit first, and the 8 Ball can only be used when in the middle of a combination shot.

2 minute shot limit. Believe it or not, 2 minutes is a really long time when you are actually timing it!

Only the player at the table, their opponent, the Captain or Co-Captain of each team are allowed to call fouls. If an agreement cannot be made as whether a foul has actually occurred or not, then the Captain/Co-Captains of each team can agree to re-rack the balls and play the game over again. If no agreement can be made, the game shall be played to it's conclusion, and a Grievance can be filed for the game in question. No one is required to call their own fouls.

Unsportsman-like conduct shall not be tolerated during a sanctioned league match...period.

Only the player who's inning it is at the table, shall be in the area of the table. (I strictly enforce this, as we have a few players on the league who insist on breaking this rule regularly.)

Since our women's league is a partner play, the player who's inning it is at the table may call her partner, her Captain or Co-Captain to the table for assistance with the shot....however, they may not line up or take the shot for them, and absolutely no coaching is allowed from the sidelines. Once the assistance is giving, only the player in inning shall be at the table when setting for the shot.

The host (home) room/tavern is responsible to provide a friendly and unobstructed environment during all league matches. This can actually be a biggie! I have taken on my sponsor for not following this rule...which is in the Sponsor' Rights and Responsibilities Form that all sponsors must sign. (I was almost 86'd from my sponsor room several years ago, because there was a rather large group of very drunk individuals sitting at a table near our match, and was being deliberately disruptive while the players were at the table shooting. They were beyond the point of being served legally. The owner would do nothing to solve the issue, and finally, I went over and dealt with it. The owner tells me that I just cost him money and that he would 86 me from the tavern. I told him to go ahead, but that the Rights and Responsibilities form that he signed would hold him to providing a pleasant playing environment for the match, and that he was not doing that, and he could be banned from being a sponsor for any further league play....additionally, I told him that if he chose to 86 me, I would contact the Liquor Control Board and report him for constantly over-serving his customers, and that I had witnesses who would back the claim up.....he backed off, and we never had a problem with this again. Besides, we were his first 1st Place team. :))


This is a sampling of some of our more important rules. While I tend to be fairly relaxed (depending on the opponent team) with being a strict enforcer, as it is supposed to be foremost, fun for the ladies.....there are some rules which I am very strict with, particularly those which interfere with the player at the table....no matter if it is my player or the other team's. Everyone should have an equal opportunity while at the table, and should be free from distractions of any kind. Some fouls I tend to ignore, especially for newer players to the league...things like very minor cue tip fouls, and shirts touching balls...but for those who have been in the league a while, they know better, and they know better, as a rule, to try it with me.

I can only think of one team that I have to be a real b*tch with as to the rules...actually two teams. All the rest of the teams we usually play, the matches are pretty relaxed, no one actually tries to cheat, and everyone is there just to have a good time.....and I want my girls to have a good time too.

Oh, and, although not required, and not in the rules, we usually say 'good luck' before each game, and shake hands after each game.

Lisa
 
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Cuebacca said:
"When are people going to grow up..." You mean like the "grown up" guy playing the air guitar during a competitive pool match? :confused: LOL.

I agree, one should do their best to become unsharkable, but there are rules about unsportsmanlike conduct and sharking for a reason. No one is completely immune.

There are some who seem to worry about everything in the world except playing the game.
 
One of the things that really gets under my skin is the guys smoking at the table. I know they would not do that if they owned the table. I play in an APA league and it seems that it is all the better players that have that habit (all the 6 and 7's.) I don't mind smokers just ones that don't respect the tables they are plaing on.
 
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