Spots on Arimath Tournament Balls

[Black-Balled]

Balls never touched the balloon. I actually used packing bubbles for the other pockets, but one I brought was flat.

The marks on the balls I flashed absolutely did not come from pockets.

Pockets was my guess too, coz of all the center pocket fuggin slammin I do:embarrassed2:. And I wouldn't discount pockets either...but my results stand alone. Like the cheese.

I still believe the spots are due to the dirty rubber in the pockets of older Gold Crowns.

It doesn’t occour to owners of Diamond tables because their pockets are lined with leather, and in the case of drop pockets I think the bottom of some Diamond drop pockets are canvas.

Stuffing the pockets of a GC with a ballon is still having rubber coming in contact with the balls. Stuffing the pocket with something like a towel, as previously suggested, might be a better test.

Better yet, give those old pockets a good cleaning and conditioning and see if your situation does not improve.

 

[Black-Balled]

Thanks BB. I'm too lazy to clean my balls to start the experiment.

I had a clean set. I am in the midst of forcing myself to use the aramith, instead of the cyclops-which I prefer- gonna stick with the aramith for a year, in total.

 

[rtrdriver]

Just a fact, Gold crowns have had allen screws since the GC1's, they are up to GC VI now and have been made overseas for a while.
As to Diamond Tables yes I have one and Glen Hancock (Diamond's go to table guy) came and re worked the rails and set it up for me.
So based on that and your reply I am thinking you are like 12 and just learning.
The marks are from ball to ball collisions, you can see the same marks though not as big running them in a home made polisher without a separator between the balls.

'that's a bold statement coming from a one-eyed fat man' from 'True Grit'

I do take offense to insults. Since I have not directly addressed you before, what makes you think I am 12 and still learning? I do have an open mind and open to any new knowledge. So I'll give you credit for half of your response.

As for what you believe about what Brunswick has been using since a GC1, you may be mistaken. I've been playing on Brunswick tables since 1966 and maybe that's before they had designated numbers, but I know what I know.




I hate it when people discount theory when they have no knowledge of what you are talking about.

 

[ChrisinNC]

I'm starting to think its the hard plastic pockets that are on the older Gold Crowns. Thanks for this info, I may have to try this

In a related matter - does anyone have a problem with the black on Simonis table spots, especially new spots, transferring to the 1-ball, which comes from breaking 9-ball racks with the 1-ball being racked on the spot? I used to wonder why the 1-balls were the only balls that were getting these ugly black marks on them after our 9-ball tournament nights, particularly since I polish all the sets of balls just before the tournament.

I'be been purchasing Simonis cloth directly from Felice at Simonis for over 20 years, and they send me all the Simonis spots I need whenever we order cloth. When I told her about this problem over the phone recently, she said I'm the first one whose ever made this complaint - hard to believe. I have since switched to Master spots - which don't transfer the black to the 1-ball nearly as much, but sometimes still a little bit.

 

[rtrdriver]

I'd just like to add one more thing to this thread and then I'll let somebody else figure out this problem that I don't have with my balls or table or cloth or ball to ball contact or pockets .

My other theory would be worn out cloth. Or very dirty chalk inbeded cloth.

When you make contact with an object ball, that ball will skid mometarily before it starts to roll. You can see little burn marks on brand new cloth (little white circles) where this is happening.

Now this is only theory backed by that knowledge, but if the cloth is old and worn enough AND dirty, couldn't that little skid after intial contact cause the same effect on the object ball?

Oh and one more little tidbit; IMO most players prefer to play on Brunswick because their pockets are more forgiving than Diamond pockets.

If you practice a Diamond table, it will make you a better player.

 

[simplestroke]

Same spots happened to me with brand new centennial balls, brand new simonis (bed and rails) on my 7ft Diamond table.

 

[ChrisinNC]

I'd just like to add one more thing to this thread and then I'll let somebody else figure out this problem that I don't have with my balls or table or cloth or ball to ball contact or pockets .

My other theory would be worn out cloth. Or very dirty chalk inbeded cloth.

When you make contact with an object ball, that ball will skid mometarily before it starts to roll. You can see little burn marks on brand new cloth (little white circles) where this is happening.

Now this is only theory backed by that knowledge, but if the cloth is old and worn enough AND dirty, couldn't that little skid after intial contact cause the same effect on the object ball?

Oh and one more little tidbit; IMO most players prefer to play on Brunswick because their pockets are more forgiving than Diamond pockets.

If you practice a Diamond table, it will make you a better player.

As you know, pocket sizes can be changed. There are plenty of Brunswick and other tables for that matter, that have been altered to have pockets as tight or tighter than Diamond's.

 

[RiverCity]

In a related matter - does anyone have a problem with the black on Simonis table spots, especially new spots, transferring to the 1-ball.....

Yep, I personally dont like them for this very reason.

 

[Black-Balled]

Somebody said that already.

Not really something you should be getting all uppity about, given the fact you were initially defending nail heads.

Diamond vs Brunswick has been discussed ad nauseam.

I'd just like to add one more thing to this thread and then I'll let somebody else figure out this problem that I don't have with my balls or table or cloth or ball to ball contact or pockets .

My other theory would be worn out cloth. Or very dirty chalk inbeded cloth.

When you make contact with an object ball, that ball will skid mometarily before it starts to roll. You can see little burn marks on brand new cloth (little white circles) where this is happening.

Now this is only theory backed by that knowledge, but if the cloth is old and worn enough AND dirty, couldn't that little skid after intial contact cause the same effect on the object ball?

Oh and one more little tidbit; IMO most players prefer to play on Brunswick because their pockets are more forgiving than Diamond pockets.

If you practice a Diamond table, it will make you a better player.

 

[Dustin_J]

Master Chalk.

I definitely get the black marks from the pockets, although they're less frequent as the table gets older. The pocket marks are noticeably different than the one in the OP, though.

FYI, rubbing alcohol on a rag melts the black marks from the pockets right off with no discernible ill effects to the balls.

What kind of chalk are you using?

I've also heard that some Diamonds do make a black mark on some balls.

Comes form the impact on the leather pocket liner.

I haven't experienced this, however.

Chalk marks on the cue ball will transfer to the object ball upon impact.

 

[AlexandruM]

Are your spots exactly round in sizes roughly 3-8mm?

Marks on my balls are exactly like in first post of this thread.

No screws are out of the pockets, so I'll test hitting the balls without pocketing

 

[hang-the-9]

I'd just like to add one more thing to this thread and then I'll let somebody else figure out this problem that I don't have with my balls or table or cloth or ball to ball contact or pockets .

My other theory would be worn out cloth. Or very dirty chalk inbeded cloth.

When you make contact with an object ball, that ball will skid mometarily before it starts to roll. You can see little burn marks on brand new cloth (little white circles) where this is happening.

Now this is only theory backed by that knowledge, but if the cloth is old and worn enough AND dirty, couldn't that little skid after intial contact cause the same effect on the object ball?

Oh and one more little tidbit; IMO most players prefer to play on Brunswick because their pockets are more forgiving than Diamond pockets.

If you practice a Diamond table, it will make you a better player.

A skid/burn mark would not make an almost perfect circle like that. Throw a ball at a wall that is standing up straight, it will make a very even mark. Angle the wall a bit and the mark will go longer towards the side of the lean.

Here is a sample from blood pattern analysis that works to illustrate, a ball sliding across a surface, or hitting an uneven pocket facing can't possibly make perfect circles with an even distribution of color on the impact like in the pictures. If the marks came from the cloth sliding friction, the mark would look more like the 10 degree one, it would be a small oval, not a circle.

This is the location of the hit that shows how the marks would look like. If they were from a pocket that is not at a perfect angle or from anything aside from a head on even hit, the colors of the circles would be uneven, but in the pictures they are very even.

Science, B!tche$!

 

[Black-Balled]

But he knows so much more than anyone else.

A 2mm nail head leaves a 5mm scuff mark.

He isn't going to last long here.

 

[HUKIT]

But he knows so much more than anyone else.

A 2mm nail head leaves a 5mm scuff mark.

He isn't going to last long here.

This and every other forum is littered with people like that...

 

[Black-Balled]

This and every other forum is littered with people like that...

True...and we are probably all like that, sometimes.

Well, not i. The rest of youz.

 

[rtrdriver]

But he knows so much more than anyone else.

A 2mm nail head leaves a 5mm scuff mark.

He isn't going to last long here.

The only thing I do know is there is always a smart a** in every bunch. I told you what I know and I gave ideas on what might be the problem. Try doing that instead of bad mouthing other people.

It's sad to me that some people can't see or understand the difference.

 

[hang-the-9]

The only thing I do know is there is always a smart a** in every bunch. I told you what I know and I gave ideas on what might be the problem. Try doing that instead of bad mouthing other people.

It's sad to me that some people can't see or understand the difference.

People that make fun of other people have some bad Karma in store for them.

Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.

I'm in trouble then

http://www.tomsguide.com/answers/id-3626188/add-data-laptop.html#20634013

You may have thought about how a nail would make a circle 3-4 times larger than itself. Yes a nail may make a mark on a ball, a scratch or a ding, the size of the nail head. For a nail to make a ton of those circle marks, even if they were the size of the nail (which they are not), you would have to have hit the ball dead on into the nail perfectly flush at a very slow speed (which can't happen because you need a good amount of speed to hit the back of the pocket and the nail). I guess if you ignore the physical impossibility of the size of the marks, the fact they are all just about perfect circles, that there is no damage at all to the balls from the impacts, that you need to hit them at a highly unlikely angle to cause those circles against anything on the table, yes it's possible that it's nails.

 

[rtrdriver]

This and every other forum is littered with people like that...

The reason I know so much is I've been around pool rooms all my life.

Now when you get to be my age, you can see the ignorance much more clearly in others because the evidence is coming right out of their mouth.

 

[rtrdriver]

A skid/burn mark would not make an almost perfect circle like that. Throw a ball at a wall that is standing up straight, it will make a very even mark. Angle the wall a bit and the mark will go longer towards the side of the lean.

Here is a sample from blood pattern analysis that works to illustrate, a ball sliding across a surface, or hitting an uneven pocket facing can't possibly make perfect circles with an even distribution of color on the impact like in the pictures. If the marks came from the cloth sliding friction, the mark would look more like the 10 degree one, it would be a small oval, not a circle.

This is the location of the hit that shows how the marks would look like. If they were from a pocket that is not at a perfect angle or from anything aside from a head on even hit, the colors of the circles would be uneven, but in the pictures they are very even.

Science, B!tche$!

I didn't say " perfect little round circles". But it definitely looks like a skid (burn) mark. Kinda oblong. With a tail so to speak. And I won't go along with it being the cue ball. I don't care how scientific you are. Show me a slow motion video of the impact I'm talking about before I believe that one.

 

[hang-the-9]

I didn't say " perfect little round circles". But it definitely looks like a skid (burn) mark. Kinda oblong. With a tail so to speak. And I won't go along with it being the cue ball. I don't care how scientific you are. Show me a slow motion video of the impact I'm talking about before I believe that one.

You don't have to say perfect circles, that is what is in the picture, within reason of course, none of them are "perfect" circles. I can see by your religious quotes you are not one to follow scientific proofs LOL

None of those marks look like burns at all. Not a little bit. They are huge. A burn mark would be tiny and not round. We are not talking about what may cause any mark on a ball, but what is causing the specific marks in the post.

Also we have had several other images posted of the same marks, using a test that proved it was the ball to ball impact causing the marks so the question is solved.